I see a lot of threads mentioning CoDTV lately. Not sure if you guys are up to speed with what Garetjax (the guy who was created CoDTV for the original CoD) is up to with this project.
So FYI...he has been exploring how to implement it in CoD4. He was on one of our monthly CoD round-table webcasts this week and talks about it.
Nabore was on there as well representing the competitive community:
It's the first topic (first fifteen minutes of the webcast).
On the same issue: I've had the chance recently to talk off-the-record to a CoD Dev and they currently don't think there are enough numbers of player interested in CoDTV for them to warrant implementing it.
Personally, I think that excuse is...an excuse. So much so that I think they are resisting implementing it for a completely different reason (i.e. it could slow sales of any future games).
Without the DEV's assistance, Garetjax seems to think implementing CoDTV might be klugey and difficult.
Can't think of any really good way to change Activision's mind...unless we bombard them with emails demanding it(?). I suspect that won't help much either. But if anyone has any good ideas please post (cue the sarcasm).
As for petitions: I showed someone at Activision an online 2000 player petition for CoDTV. They told me it wasn't enough. We actually talk about petitions on the webcast. Someone in the cast mentioned that online petitions are useless ...he suggests trying a snail mail campaign.
How about instead of a petition, we all email one/several IW representatives? Doubt we could get enough people not to be lazy and write a paragraph each, but it might be the best, feasible option.
I've listened to the whole thing, and well, I really think that we should completely bomb IW with mails that we want CODTV or something. If everyone that wants CoDTV puts enough time on showing that they want it, they might make it for us.
maybe they need the viewing results from something like quadv/e-rev i know that i33 finals had something like 30K people watching orsmt if codtv is gonna work then people need to get across to IW/cod4 ddev team that alot of people are very interested in COD4 and wathcing it
IW has never supported us. I said from the start that the patches they were releasing were a way for them to con clueless people into believing that they were actually supporting this title .
that is 100% true #12. look at the patches we were given so far... all the bugs that IW said they fixed in the patches i never ran into in the first place, and PB actually patched the getStatsInDvar thing or what ever before IW did and IW still came out with a fix for it. Yet another useless patch to make them look supportive.
wel,l we won't get codtv... a game like cod4 is a best seller mainly because casual players (which represent a largest majority of players) buy it.
As it we'll be the same for cod6, they dont need people to stay interested in cod4, and they don't care if a part of the competitive community(... a minority of players) leave the cod series because of the lack of support which aint new with IW.
I think you under estimate what a community the size of the CoD one could do. It won't happen though, because we're all about as organized as a government IT project.
that's true, #15, but that's also stupid of them. instead of "make a totally new game" thing, they should make some sort of expansions, just like Company of Heroes did. Many players would stay longer, would get skill, that skill would stick through expansions, because gameplay feeling would change all that much, all you'd be getting would be special customization options, better graphics and new animations for most of the objects, and all that going with evolution of hardware. They could get money for every expansion. They could even think of special offers, like - we get a huge petition, if we want something - but they dont make it for free - just for a little bit of money, for which we get a special code + download, and wuala.
Cod4 is dead, right after another COD title hits the deck. Cod4 has only been useful @ uniting cs'ers and other gamers with cod'ers. That's probably the only good thing about this game...Perhaps SP too ? Perhaps.
#16, our problem is not the lack of will to organize or show that we care for our game.
It's separation. People dont agree what they want. Some want Cod series to be fast paced, some want it to be more like Cs, some want it to be absolutely and ultimately realistic.
To get something organised - easy. You find a guy, who could make a simple, yet nice website, which would enlist and carry a message from the community (wishlist + what kind of gameplay that wishlist will bring, so that people would not doubt it). That website should get a special implemented petition.
Now imagine - a funny part of this website thing - while registering for the website to see it's content - you have to PROMISE to tell about it to at least 3 friends of yours. Putting a link about the website on gotfrag + several other sites = it wont do the impact wanted. Just call it a www.we-want-our-cod.com and put a headline : Participate in the making of New Cod title. It will not only attract people - it will be WILD.
Also - make a complicated petition - "voting" option on every aspect of the ruleset - see if people like it. Although that would be a bit risky - newbs would vote for cookable nades and sprint.
I'm not saying that this would be a success. Nobody can guarantee that activision/IW would get interested in this project, but if the site would score HUGE, they would forget everything on their mind, and start thinking how to get into it.
IMAGINE - this would have the same feeling like BETA testing - only this time you wouldnt be looking for bugs and interracting with developer, you'd be making the game. This would probably be the first game made by players themselves, and it would aboslutely make the most popular youtube video bite the dust.
A short note from the bottom of my heart ? Make it a genesis thing. A feast for original cod...Vanilla cod, ww2, all the amazingness, all gameplay features, the feeling.
But that will never happen. Why will that not happen ? Gamemakers/Gamesellers take notice, of what people buy. They compare how many copies they've sold of cod2 and cod4, and they compare WHAT they've changed from cod2 to cod4. They take those features, and make their "Money Horses". There have been more copies of cod2 sold than that of cod1. What was the main thing they've changed in cod2 in comparison to cod1 ? SPEED. They've learned that, and now look at cod4 - we're buunny hopping unreal tournament quake'ing a supposedly "realistic shooter" ?
It's sad, very sad. IMO games with time will be getting more and more simple to play, just to get more sales for those "oh my god did you see him fly in the air from my cooked nade"...cheap emotions, rich gamedevelopers/sellers.
Who likes that game ? Cs1.6 players hate it so much, they choose a totally different game with the same environment - cod4.
Everything depends on advertisement. Try putting banners of cod2/cod1 with maxxed graphics, cool in game footage - you'll get A LOT of people playing. Some huge competition tables will invite cod2 back for a meal, and the game will be running again.
All the fuss about cod4 is that it's made by IW. In other words - IW has made 2 games: cod1 and cod4, all others were ports from console/gameboy lol, and were badly advertised, and weren't so hyped.
I remember myself, watching cod4 footage, thinking to myself: man this game...looks so real, the animations, the features...Then one after another, I've heard stories about nade nonsense/crap maps, and it became all clear.
If someone actually made a website like purposed I would totally put in time to help out. #4 where's this petition you talked of? If we bring that back in and advertise it a bit on w/e and let it sit for a bit and put that on the site it would be awsome. But as said before, it appears that IW only cares about the money. Us competitive gamers represant only a small portion of gamers. Theres the casual gamers and the console gamers that take up most of the space. But personally I don't think IW will give a shiit about what we want since as said before the majority of the gamers are little nubs who enjoy sending helis and airstrikes in a TDM pub. So I guess what I'm saying is that this is all or nothing sort of thing. I don't know if they even know what competitibe gaming is but one thing we ned to do is show them what it's all about and get them to care about the competitive community. and it's alright if CoD4's gameplay isn't realistic, it's the realstic graphics that sell, if people want realism they can go play America's Army the mst boring fps Ive ever played.
If you don't read that ^ read this...
1st step is to get a website going, doesn't have to be fancy but it needs hits. Lots of users, lots of supporters and show how many people care about CoDTV and other aspects about CoD4. 2nd step we have to show IW that we are capable of being mature and orgainzing a mass email spam to the developers or whoever on the same week. It will show them we organized this and that we're serious about this and want it bad. This has to be on the same week to surprise the shiit outta them instead of having a few come in now and then. We can organize this on the site but get people to use their own emails and to write their own messages to appear more personal.
So yeah, If this actually goes down pm me so I can do something to help out on the website or anything else pretty much. Someone here must know how to create a decent website that's not made by some free hosting site. and have the site not just focus purely on CoDTV but be open to other CoD aspects. Or something a lot easier we can get some other CoD4 community site host our petition and such.
I lolled, "newbs would vote for cookable nades and sprint"... Who are you to judge, top players worldwide who enjoyed vCoD and CoD2 are now pleased with CoD4. If you can't handle the speed and prefer tacnades over cookables, don't act as if every1 who does like m would be newbs.
#23, do you feel insulted ? What's the matter with you ? Did you not laugh at cookable nade mod @ previous cod ?
Any noob can cook a damn nade on the run, 2 seconds before he sees a target. It doesnt take skill, it doesnt take patience to make a set nade, ALL it takes is a no brainer runner.
What cookable nades do instead, is they are a major annoyance. In real life nades are not cooked, and theres a reason why - hazardous factor. Why ? Nades are so powerful, especially those meant for defence, that even a strong cannot throw it as far as needed, in order not to get hit by shrapnel.
Sprint ? It's good for games, that have vaaaaaast spaces, vehicles that carry exploasives. YES, then I do agree on sprint.
Call of duty is different. Call of duty is more of CS typo game. I'ts milimetrical. MILIMETRICAL. What's that ? Look at the maps. Especially at the popular ones - they're popular, because their structure matters. Every single box and path are exactly where it should be. The speed of the game makes it a little bit more predictable, and THAT is the main factor of call of duties franchise - gameplay specifics. What other game has set nades, huh ? Quake ? Painkiller ? Cs ?
Cod has always been like that, since the start - two companies of different sides meet each other, and do what they'd naturally do. Some crawl to one objective, some rush the other, but they all use their nades wisely - they nade, and then they run. In cod4 you don't prepare, you don't really think all that much, because you cannot predict your enemy. He may be behind a wall behind you before you start thinking what's he gonna do next.
You want speed and fast gameplay ? You enjoy it ? That's called FUN gaming. RUN n GUN, RUN n SPRAY. Dont give me that PCW crap, superbalicious tactics @ A to B, going through C with helicpoter. It doesnt have the depth and the feeling even of cod2, let's not put cod1 in this, it's gettin ridiculous.
You sir, are a pub newb, if you enjoy fast nades and sprints. Cod4 has the only difference with cod1 and cod2 - fast gameplay stays the same, it's JUST EASIER. You try rushing @ cod1, you try that. No success ? Aggrivation ? That's the horse on which cod4 is balancing. People don't need to try much before they succeed. They do something, and it happens. OMG ! COD4 rocks !
You're tired of tactical cod camping sir ? You dont have the patience, it annoys you ? Go visit a psychologist, get a vacation, enjoy life. Go away from our beloved shaky vanilla cod, because you and your money, sir, is the reason IW is forging this franchise the wrong way.
Go play UT, QUAKE, Battlefield. I've played those games, in-depth, have you ? Or do you want COD franchise to take the gameplay of those different games and bring it to cod one by one ?
"top players worldwide are now pleased with cod4" , what the duck sir, you be a statistics wallhacker, or be youz an all seeing eyemboter ? I bet you didn't want to sound too strong on cod4 part, so you've used "are pleased", instead of "are enjoying, are syked, are super happy" with cod4. The only comforting thing about this game is prize money.
Prize money ? Look around. :) Do you see any other games that could be banged about competitively ? No, they've all become comercial tricks like cod4, there' s no depth in those games. When people want depth, they choose WoW instead of CS, and here comes cod4 with MAJOR advertising company. Lol this BS reminds me of presidential elections. They go around the country giving away food and a$$wipes, we elect someone and nothing what has been promised happens.
It's always foolish to believe promises, for people, who are righteous, don't promise too much. POP culture.
#22, I used to believe e-mail spam and stuff, but with IW :D Cod2, right ? Clipping bug. How much time did it take to fix it @ cod4 ? A week after our posts on their forums ? How much time did we spend banging about it @ cod2 ?
Oooh right, excuses. THEY WERE MAKING COD4. No, they were being lazy, because cod4 is nothing special, oh well, I guess even that was hard for them, to look at it from above - they havent ever coded any engine by themselves - they've taken q3 engine for cod1, they've upgraded q3 engine with doom3 graphics (especially dx9) @ cod2, that's all they do. They take features of other games around COD, and implement it into the game.
If we tried mail spam...I think we'd just get blocked/filtered after first 10 emails to every/any account. Remember...they're on top on everything now. It's not cod1, where they've just made the game, they're not sure if it's going to be good and if we will like it. It's not like that. Right now they're sitting high up there, with a crown on top, making decisions about this and that, they can take any critics - unless you REALLY shock them, they will believe in their actions, they will take a lot of critics. Their motto - you can't be friends with everyone, so why not make a little money while you're on a cruise with your friendship.
Is this me being imaginative. Oh ya, this is me being retarded. But if you want changes - if you want to SHOCK them, dont buy the game. Dont lie down like a good dog, just to get up next time and be beaten again. Dont play the game, or play older cod games, with your xfire turned on - make a statistic.
I dont know if it's IW or is it Activision behind this profitial campaign, or is it Activision vs EA vs A$$wipes comercial war, or is it the end of the world - I dont like it, and I wont pay for it.
CoDTV
So FYI...he has been exploring how to implement it in CoD4. He was on one of our monthly CoD round-table webcasts this week and talks about it.
Nabore was on there as well representing the competitive community:
http://bash.podbean.com/2008/07/07/bash-6..
It's the first topic (first fifteen minutes of the webcast).
On the same issue: I've had the chance recently to talk off-the-record to a CoD Dev and they currently don't think there are enough numbers of player interested in CoDTV for them to warrant implementing it.
Personally, I think that excuse is...an excuse. So much so that I think they are resisting implementing it for a completely different reason (i.e. it could slow sales of any future games).
Without the DEV's assistance, Garetjax seems to think implementing CoDTV might be klugey and difficult.
Can't think of any really good way to change Activision's mind...unless we bombard them with emails demanding it(?). I suspect that won't help much either. But if anyone has any good ideas please post (cue the sarcasm).
This is the answer i got from fourzerotwo when I asked about CODTV yesterday:
"Code is currently looking into some questions Mike had regarding getting CODTV to work in COD4"
It would allow other people to watch the game and get them interested in it.
Thats how i got into wanting to learn how to play 1.6 and q3(lolimhorribleatdueling) just my thoughts
As it we'll be the same for cod6, they dont need people to stay interested in cod4, and they don't care if a part of the competitive community(... a minority of players) leave the cod series because of the lack of support which aint new with IW.
instead of "make a totally new game" thing, they should make some sort of expansions, just like Company of Heroes did. Many players would stay longer, would get skill, that skill would stick through expansions, because gameplay feeling would change all that much, all you'd be getting would be special customization options, better graphics and new animations for most of the objects, and all that going with evolution of hardware.
They could get money for every expansion. They could even think of special offers, like - we get a huge petition, if we want something - but they dont make it for free - just for a little bit of money, for which we get a special code + download, and wuala.
Cod4 is dead, right after another COD title hits the deck. Cod4 has only been useful @ uniting cs'ers and other gamers with cod'ers. That's probably the only good thing about this game...Perhaps SP too ? Perhaps.
It's separation. People dont agree what they want. Some want Cod series to be fast paced, some want it to be more like Cs, some want it to be absolutely and ultimately realistic.
To get something organised - easy. You find a guy, who could make a simple, yet nice website, which would enlist and carry a message from the community (wishlist + what kind of gameplay that wishlist will bring, so that people would not doubt it). That website should get a special implemented petition.
Now imagine - a funny part of this website thing - while registering for the website to see it's content - you have to PROMISE to tell about it to at least 3 friends of yours. Putting a link about the website on gotfrag + several other sites = it wont do the impact wanted.
Just call it a www.we-want-our-cod.com and put a headline : Participate in the making of New Cod title. It will not only attract people - it will be WILD.
Also - make a complicated petition - "voting" option on every aspect of the ruleset - see if people like it. Although that would be a bit risky - newbs would vote for cookable nades and sprint.
I'm not saying that this would be a success. Nobody can guarantee that activision/IW would get interested in this project, but if the site would score HUGE, they would forget everything on their mind, and start thinking how to get into it.
IMAGINE - this would have the same feeling like BETA testing - only this time you wouldnt be looking for bugs and interracting with developer, you'd be making the game. This would probably be the first game made by players themselves, and it would aboslutely make the most popular youtube video bite the dust.
A short note from the bottom of my heart ?
Make it a genesis thing. A feast for original cod...Vanilla cod, ww2, all the amazingness, all gameplay features, the feeling.
But that will never happen. Why will that not happen ?
Gamemakers/Gamesellers take notice, of what people buy. They compare how many copies they've sold of cod2 and cod4, and they compare WHAT they've changed from cod2 to cod4. They take those features, and make their "Money Horses".
There have been more copies of cod2 sold than that of cod1. What was the main thing they've changed in cod2 in comparison to cod1 ? SPEED. They've learned that, and now look at cod4 - we're buunny hopping unreal tournament quake'ing a supposedly "realistic shooter" ?
It's sad, very sad. IMO games with time will be getting more and more simple to play, just to get more sales for those "oh my god did you see him fly in the air from my cooked nade"...cheap emotions, rich gamedevelopers/sellers.
Uhh.
Who likes that game ? Cs1.6 players hate it so much, they choose a totally different game with the same environment - cod4.
Everything depends on advertisement. Try putting banners of cod2/cod1 with maxxed graphics, cool in game footage - you'll get A LOT of people playing. Some huge competition tables will invite cod2 back for a meal, and the game will be running again.
All the fuss about cod4 is that it's made by IW. In other words - IW has made 2 games: cod1 and cod4, all others were ports from console/gameboy lol, and were badly advertised, and weren't so hyped.
I remember myself, watching cod4 footage, thinking to myself: man this game...looks so real, the animations, the features...Then one after another, I've heard stories about nade nonsense/crap maps, and it became all clear.
If you don't read that ^ read this...
1st step is to get a website going, doesn't have to be fancy but it needs hits. Lots of users, lots of supporters and show how many people care about CoDTV and other aspects about CoD4.
2nd step we have to show IW that we are capable of being mature and orgainzing a mass email spam to the developers or whoever on the same week. It will show them we organized this and that we're serious about this and want it bad. This has to be on the same week to surprise the shiit outta them instead of having a few come in now and then. We can organize this on the site but get people to use their own emails and to write their own messages to appear more personal.
So yeah, If this actually goes down pm me so I can do something to help out on the website or anything else pretty much. Someone here must know how to create a decent website that's not made by some free hosting site. and have the site not just focus purely on CoDTV but be open to other CoD aspects. Or something a lot easier we can get some other CoD4 community site host our petition and such.
I lolled, "newbs would vote for cookable nades and sprint"... Who are you to judge, top players worldwide who enjoyed vCoD and CoD2 are now pleased with CoD4. If you can't handle the speed and prefer tacnades over cookables, don't act as if every1 who does like m would be newbs.
Any noob can cook a damn nade on the run, 2 seconds before he sees a target. It doesnt take skill, it doesnt take patience to make a set nade, ALL it takes is a no brainer runner.
What cookable nades do instead, is they are a major annoyance. In real life nades are not cooked, and theres a reason why - hazardous factor. Why ? Nades are so powerful, especially those meant for defence, that even a strong cannot throw it as far as needed, in order not to get hit by shrapnel.
Sprint ? It's good for games, that have vaaaaaast spaces, vehicles that carry exploasives. YES, then I do agree on sprint.
Call of duty is different. Call of duty is more of CS typo game. I'ts milimetrical. MILIMETRICAL. What's that ? Look at the maps. Especially at the popular ones - they're popular, because their structure matters. Every single box and path are exactly where it should be. The speed of the game makes it a little bit more predictable, and THAT is the main factor of call of duties franchise - gameplay specifics. What other game has set nades, huh ? Quake ? Painkiller ? Cs ?
Cod has always been like that, since the start - two companies of different sides meet each other, and do what they'd naturally do. Some crawl to one objective, some rush the other, but they all use their nades wisely - they nade, and then they run. In cod4 you don't prepare, you don't really think all that much, because you cannot predict your enemy. He may be behind a wall behind you before you start thinking what's he gonna do next.
You want speed and fast gameplay ? You enjoy it ? That's called FUN gaming. RUN n GUN, RUN n SPRAY. Dont give me that PCW crap, superbalicious tactics @ A to B, going through C with helicpoter. It doesnt have the depth and the feeling even of cod2, let's not put cod1 in this, it's gettin ridiculous.
You sir, are a pub newb, if you enjoy fast nades and sprints. Cod4 has the only difference with cod1 and cod2 - fast gameplay stays the same, it's JUST EASIER. You try rushing @ cod1, you try that. No success ? Aggrivation ? That's the horse on which cod4 is balancing. People don't need to try much before they succeed. They do something, and it happens. OMG ! COD4 rocks !
You're tired of tactical cod camping sir ? You dont have the patience, it annoys you ? Go visit a psychologist, get a vacation, enjoy life. Go away from our beloved shaky vanilla cod, because you and your money, sir, is the reason IW is forging this franchise the wrong way.
Go play UT, QUAKE, Battlefield. I've played those games, in-depth, have you ? Or do you want COD franchise to take the gameplay of those different games and bring it to cod one by one ?
"top players worldwide are now pleased with cod4" , what the duck sir, you be a statistics wallhacker, or be youz an all seeing eyemboter ? I bet you didn't want to sound too strong on cod4 part, so you've used "are pleased", instead of "are enjoying, are syked, are super happy" with cod4. The only comforting thing about this game is prize money.
Prize money ? Look around. :) Do you see any other games that could be banged about competitively ? No, they've all become comercial tricks like cod4, there' s no depth in those games. When people want depth, they choose WoW instead of CS, and here comes cod4 with MAJOR advertising company. Lol this BS reminds me of presidential elections. They go around the country giving away food and a$$wipes, we elect someone and nothing what has been promised happens.
It's always foolish to believe promises, for people, who are righteous, don't promise too much. POP culture.
Cod2, right ? Clipping bug. How much time did it take to fix it @ cod4 ? A week after our posts on their forums ?
How much time did we spend banging about it @ cod2 ?
Oooh right, excuses. THEY WERE MAKING COD4. No, they were being lazy, because cod4 is nothing special, oh well, I guess even that was hard for them, to look at it from above - they havent ever coded any engine by themselves - they've taken q3 engine for cod1, they've upgraded q3 engine with doom3 graphics (especially dx9) @ cod2, that's all they do. They take features of other games around COD, and implement it into the game.
If we tried mail spam...I think we'd just get blocked/filtered after first 10 emails to every/any account. Remember...they're on top on everything now. It's not cod1, where they've just made the game, they're not sure if it's going to be good and if we will like it. It's not like that.
Right now they're sitting high up there, with a crown on top, making decisions about this and that, they can take any critics - unless you REALLY shock them, they will believe in their actions, they will take a lot of critics. Their motto - you can't be friends with everyone, so why not make a little money while you're on a cruise with your friendship.
Is this me being imaginative. Oh ya, this is me being retarded. But if you want changes - if you want to SHOCK them, dont buy the game. Dont lie down like a good dog, just to get up next time and be beaten again. Dont play the game, or play older cod games, with your xfire turned on - make a statistic.
I dont know if it's IW or is it Activision behind this profitial campaign, or is it Activision vs EA vs A$$wipes comercial war, or is it the end of the world - I dont like it, and I wont pay for it.