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One of the first of many criticisms leveled at the CGS was the choice of Counter-Strike: Source as its primary team FPS. CS:S isn't a terrible game - despite what most of the 1.6 players will tell you - but there remain to this day many, many obstacles to its success in this arena. It is with these in mind that I will present to you one viable alternative: Call of Duty 4.

What do the CGS look for in a game? Certainly not a steep learning curve or a high skill gap between good players and great players, if that were the case then they would have gone straight to Counter-Strike 1.6. No, the CGS want games for television. They want action packed, fast paced, aesthetically pleasing games that will appeal to the masses. Call of Duty 4 ticks all these boxes.

I'm not here to argue that Call of Duty 4 is the best or most skilled FPS game out there. Let's be honest, it's obvious that's not the case. What I will say is that it's damn exciting to watch. Like every game in the series, Call of Duty 4 has always proved a huge success when live streams have been available for events, and QuadV and iTG will testify to that with viewing figures to back it up. The addition of a sprint feature and a number of powerful SMGs make Call of Duty 4 the fastest team FPS out there and this is exactly the style of game the CGS needs to appeal to the casual viewer.

Call of Duty 4 is currently played in a similar format to that used for CS:S in the CGS with teams of five taking turns at attacking and defending two bomb sites. Maps are varied and while the game allows for a vast number of tactical approaches, short round times and the popularity of fast attacks make the game easy to follow for your average viewer. The game has depth, but unlike in Counter-Strike, you don't need to have played the game to work out what's going on.

Counter-Strike has the competitive player base for sure and despite the rapid growth of Call of Duty 4 it still can't compete with CS 1.6 and CS:S on that front. Where it can compete however is in the casual player base, people who will recognize it on television. If World of Warcraft has 10 million users, how about this for a statistic? Call of Duty 4 sold over 7 million copies in 2007, despite only being released in November.

Call of Duty 4 will be recognizable to millions of viewers across the globe, regardless of whether the actual matches are played on PC or Xbox. Unlike Counter-Strike, Call of Duty 4 is a recently released game that is, in the eyes of the public at least, at the cutting edge of gaming technology and sophistication. New and unique features such as perks provide a level of depth that, unlike the Counter-Strike money system, is easy to understand and appreciate.

Also, unlike CS:S, Call of Duty 4 is not constantly overshadowed by its predecessor. How can the CGS claim to be a global league of champions when the representatives from Europe and the UK in particular are unquestionably less talented than those competing in the World Cyber Games and the Electronic Sports World Cup?

Every successful Call of Duty 2 team has moved over to Call of Duty 4 and the level of competition and interest is higher than ever. With the WSVG consigned to the e-sports graveyard, the rapidly growing Call of Duty community is crying out for large tournament support and would represent a massively untapped market for the CGS.

Furthermore, Call of Duty 4 has two time based game types, Sabotage and Domination, that would fit the CGS' requirements that a match only takes around 20 minutes. Also the current competitive format could easily be adapted to fit the CGS' requirements (similar to their MR9 rules for CSS) because there is no money system to bastardize.

Even if the prospect of CS:S getting the boot is unlikely - CGS have probably already made plans for 2008 and even 2009 - the issues need to be raised and debated at the very least. Call of Duty 2 proved time and time again that it was a game that could live up to expectations when given the chance and Call of Duty 4 is no different. It's perfect for television, recognizable to millions and getting bigger by the day. Call of Duty 4 would be perfect for the CGS.

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if the cs:s teams get taken out of cgs i think they may have to consider finding new GMs for the teams. because besides kat hunter every other GM came from 1.6 and got there teams to switch to source therefore i dont think people like jax and jason lake and moto are going to just let cgs get rid of cs:s because the main reason they are apart of the organization is because of the cs:s players.

This comment was edited at 02/27/2008 9:07 PM

CGS would probably ruin the format that COD4 uses and split the community. In a way I think it's good that they didn't pick it up. One reason 1.6ers don't like CGS is the horrible format they use.

This comment was edited at 02/29/2008 6:52 PM

I think i'd like to see cod4 on tv, much more than I would CS:S. Also it would make the 1.6 players that are playing in CGS comeback to 1.6 :D

#2 has a good point even when they used 1.6 originally it was hated on because of the terrible format they used

This comment was edited at 02/27/2008 9:05 PM

I'd much rather watch CoD4 then CS:S. The system CS:S has in CGS still doesn't make sense to me. Whatever CGS says is going to happen, and the franchises will adapt. They changed the racing game and no one really cared that much. Sure, the CS:S is where many of the franchise GMs came from, but if they don't want to have a CoD4 team instead of CS:S, they can just install a new GM and run their own CS team for other tournies and stuff.

I think they already want to play CoD. No money system. Less rounds.

How about TF2. That way you can still see whats going on since they never show first person anyway.

Its a piece of cake to bake a pretty cake.

#4

FIFA is made by EA why can't COD4 be in CGS uhhh uhhh

C U @ COD4 @ CGS

This comment was edited at 02/27/2008 9:10 PM

but but but its actually worse then css rofl.... its a TERRIBLE GAME.

Competitive gaming is the place to beeeee.

good read, maybe then CSS players wont have to be little bithces

"What do the CGS look for in a game? Certainly not a steep learning curve or a high skill gap between good players and great players, if that were the case then they would have gone straight to Counter-Strike 1.6."

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cod is horrid takes no skill what so ever id rather play tf2 then that SH I T game 1.6 and css are light years away in competitive game play then this over hyped wanabe

cod4 is dire

I totally agree. For someone who has never played CS:S it would be very hard to understand where people are coming from and such when camera views are changed. It would also be hard to understand what is happening when players are rotating and things of that nature. The maps in CS are close quarters and are designed like mazes.

COD4 on the other hand has wide open spaces where views could be had from way up above the battlefield. Where the viewer could easily understand the strategies and the complex dynamics of the game where in CSS it is very difficult to understand and see how complex strats are executed when you are watching on tv, which is the most interesting part to of the game.

COD4 has better graphics, a smaller learning curve for the viewers that may get interested in the game when they first watch, and understanding the game would be much easier. The problem is that most of the people that know how the E-Sports scene work are Ex-Counter-strike managers. And since they have their hands down the CGS producers' pants I don't see this changing. It would be a GREAT move though. It would also destroy the CS community which is already in shambles since the 1.6 and Source community will NEVER come together. Once the age of "scrims that were played out" was over the immaturity of this community became unbearable. I would love to see the more open-minded players moving on to something else that is just as good.

I don't expect anyone else to agree.

This comment was edited at 02/27/2008 9:27 PM

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First and foremost they should ditch Fifa in favour of PES, which is clearly the superior game. I guess CGS is obsessed with graphics over gameplay though.

#19 duh, hence why they picked cs:s over cs 1.6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2B-0b5KkpA

if they were, they would use the console version of fifa

we have to go back

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I love how all the all the source gaYmers have said is "its a terrible game". Most of you more than likely dont even have the game, or if you do havent played it outside of pub mode. Unless you have truely played CoD4 in the format for CGS then you shouldnt be calling it terrible.

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#3, they never used 1.6 =/ Valve denied them the use of 1.6 so they used source instead.

id rather see 1.6 used than cod4 and thats coming from a source player

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For all those who say there is no learning curve is this game clearly just pub. The pubs are so easy its not even funny. Also, almost 95% of the pubs don't have the competitive mods which get rid of all the bullsh i t that makes the game "newb" and "bad".

/ggrhino

My opinion, the best 1 v 1 competition should be fight night round 3, I love that game, I even had a whole tourney at work, but there was a split within the people that were playing, some people liked using analogs, some people liked buttons, and there were pros and cons on each side.
Fight night round 3 is an excellent game to play I always have fun and I even like watching other people play that too lol.

Now in regards to cod4, NO, cod4 cant replace css or 1.6 cod4 is a totally different type of game, and cs was made in such a way where the HUD_MOVEMENTS are important along with the maps make it unique.

COD4 is a great game still, I have alot of fun playing it, it has a lot of nice features, the helicopter thing and the plane strikes is non-sense, thats like so dumb lol, but anyway. CSS has its perks, there are problems within css

SOLUTION:

MAKE A MOD FROM ANOTHER ENGINE THAT REPLICATES CS 1.6 or CS SOURCE but better. And thats all it takes to be the CGS game on the front lines.

-HarryB lord of source, free lancer writer.

This comment was edited at 02/27/2008 9:39 PM

1.6 or cod4 id rather watch either anyday than source

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#27

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COD4 is a great game still, I have alot of fun playing it, it has a lot of nice features, the helicopter thing and the plane strikes is non-sense, thats like so dumb lol, but anyway. CSS has its perks, there are problems within css

Great sentence.

And the solution you mentioned is what they tried(are trying) to do with CS Promod.

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#29 I understand pro mod was a great theory, but everyone in the source community recommended that they use a different engine all together.

Pro mod was disgusting, no matter what they do to justify it, it looks disgusting, we all know it, some of us tried it, and its not getting any better. And what they tell you about their mod is a lie. If you go look at steam stats scroll down to CSPROMOD and you will see on peak hours 5 people playing and 20 servers or more running.

You need a mod that replicates counter strike on a different engine. The same HUD_MOVEMENTS as 1.6 or cs source, they are pretty much the same except the height, but that can be dealt with. But you need the same hud_movements thats the key.

Comparing cod4 to cs is like comparing super mario kart and unreal tournament, both great games, both have different features, and personalities. Counter strike is based on hud movements, its why its such a skill full game.

This comment was edited at 02/27/2008 9:53 PM

oh good g0d, cod4 is for people who are good at hiding and gaying you in the back.

You say that 7mill baught cod4, so how many of those 7mil still play it?

Also why would someone want to watch something competitive if it takes no skill? You dont watch basketball cause AI throws a golf ball in a pool to score a point. Why would it be "fun" to watch unskilled players shoot people in the backs... I dont understand.

This comment was edited at 02/27/2008 10:04 PM

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even though i love cod 4 css>cod4 lol, imo CSS is better suited for competitive play compared to cod4

if a game doesnt require high skills, i aint interested in it. You probably cant figure how many cs players are over the world. Even though they might not play css, they do enjoy watching this game, and people would understand this game in no time.

Next Week's News: CGS announces CoD4 as official tournament in 32 player TDM format with 3x frag enforced for all players.

the level in cod4 is lower than the css or cs 1.6, because, all nbs in this both games started to play cod4. So its not hard the be a good player in cod4. I think CGS have to but the best players in the world (so 1.6).

This comment was edited at 02/27/2008 10:03 PM

CGS is horrible
cs1.6 > css
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gl cod4

PLEASE OPEN THIS TO SOAPBOX SO I CAN WRITE AN ARTICLE.

COD4 a fast paced game? Half the game is people iron sighted in with terrible long one mintue bomb timer? Over shadowed by 1.6? CoD was looked upon as a joke by the 1.6 community when NightFaLL was running around these fourms. The game is nothing more then another fun game to pub.

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ty p0s, atleast some people in here have some intelligence.

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CSS is a joke because you play it FTSU T_Tboy.

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This comment was edited at 02/27/2008 10:13 PM

no game with a prone position will ever take over in competitiveness of the CS style of play

EVER

the whole CoD series are just pubber games and nothing beyond that

i might as well go write an article for BF2 to be in CGS

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This comment was edited at 02/27/2008 10:17 PM

considering players like NF and warmachine went on to play CS after the CoD series, i'm pretty sure there's some skill difference blah blah blah blah. both games require you to shoot people, different genres.

#mobgaming

Agreed, but the fact that everyone plays s&d is hurting cod scene. bunch of no brain cs falloffs controlling the scene.

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