It really doesn't even need to be said that the US teams are not on the same international skill level as everyone else. So there really isn't a debate about it and this thread makes you look stupid.
sorry to say but x3o never had a chance and never will. theyre just not on that level as consistently as the other teams are. if x3o wants to compete internationally theyre going to have to make some adjustments.
X3O raped Group one... Got placed in Group two with two of the top teams in the world and another American team. Went 2-1 in the group and failed to get out all because of like ONE round or some shit.
EG isn't good. There run at kode5 was a fluke and I hope everyone starts to think that. However, x3o is a very skilled team and I assure you if they had more teams in the United States who took Counter-Strike seriously (you know.. practice for the international scene) they would be much better than they are right now.
And just to throw this in... I think they are pretty good right now. They could have easily advanced passed group 2 stage and you never know what could have happened from there.
EG plays super randy where they it either pays off against the big teams and they come away with an upset or they lose rounds one might describe as hastily played.
Then you have x3o who play the 'right way' in terms of organization and teamplay but don't have the raw fire power to get it done consistently against the world's elite. The problem there being that tournaments are so tight and competitive now once you get into the last 12 teams of a big tourney that you REALLY need to be able to grind out some 16-13 or 16-14s against the teams who are a few notches above, otherwise you don't even get a shot at a top 8 which in itself isn't an amazing accomplishment.
It would make a lot more sense to have a team run like x3o but composed of the best 5 active CS 1.6 players in North America. This should probably have been done back when x6, turmoil and eMg were the big 3. Makes no sense to be wasting unnecessary energy dividing up talent when the pool isn't strong enough to support more than 1 top 5 team.
What do you mean they are not on the same level consistently as international teams? They rarely get to face any real good teams unless they are at a big lan event such as this one. They placed top 5 at GameGune (their first international event) and should have gotten out of group play second day at ESWC.
They not only beat e-STRO, a team that just came in second at ESWC.. losing 16-14 and 16-13 in the finals) but also beat mTw... a team who is ranked #2 in the world currently by g7.
For that being their first MAJOR lan event I would say they did pretty well...
x3o looked very hungry at ESWC. To say they're not on their level isn't exactly accurate. They beat mTw and some other international teams worth mentioning. Obviously they just need more experience in simply PLAYING teams outside the US. That's always been a problem of this country. We're limited in the teams we can compete with on a regular basis.
I cant disagree with you guys really. i think they played well at the tourney. but you have to admit while watching them play against the other international teams that you wished theyd have a bit more raw aiming in their team.
So you are saying going undefeated in Stage 1: Group Play (beating e-STRO and n!faculty) and then going 2-1 in Stage 2: Group Play (beating mTw and MoB while losing to mYm.. who won the trny) is because they aren't good enough?
They beat a team that came in 2nd at ESWC and lost to the team that won ESWC by the score of 16-10. If you honestly think x3o could not have pulled up another upset after Stage 2 with the way they are playing I think you are underestimating how good x3o actually is.
They have some vastly underrated players on their team who the international scene should starting paying attention to.
But you have to understand this was most of x3o's first big lan event. As I mentioned in my previous post I think the international players and fans will start hearing about impulsive and goodfornothing a little bit more as they will be more ready for their next one (hopefully WCG).
Impulisve was missing a ton of awp shots that he would normally be hitting in CEVO or at x3o events but maybe he was feeling a little bit of pressure.. idk.
#22 Impulsive was their strongest player during ESWC. He may have been feeling the pressure of a big event but it didn't look that evident to me during his matches.
#20 I do agree with you there a tad. Impulsive/ben/gfn have that raw aim definitely. As for the others, had they been replaced with maybe n0thing and another solid aimer you might see them a bit higher on the international scale. Then again, sometimes sacrificing chemistry for fragging abilities has brought some teams down instead of up. You could also say that new chemistry could also be built. Never know!
the problem is x3o doesnt have anyone to carry the team, i.e zonic carries his team, neo carries his, forest carries his, msx carries his.. and when coL was here frod always made sure they got those curcial rnds
#26 Those players tend to play very well but they definitely do not carry their teams at all. Just looking at recent matches kuben/taz carried MYM at ESWC, cArn/dsn for fnatic, however fRoD was always beasting his matches.
mTw is blatantly the most consistent team in the world. eSTRO finished 2nd in ESWC and beat fnatic getting there. n!faculty is a top 3 German squad and got eliminated early.
x3o is definitely on the level of these "elite" teams that you speak of. Not to mention that they finished in the money at GameGune(their first overseas event?) and beat two of the teams currently in the top 5 WORLD rankings. x3o has the chemistry and a fantastic manager in NickFitz as well as the attitude of a professional team. The only thing that x3o is a few more international events, once that happens we'll see where they fall.
Edit: In response to the people saying that x3o has no one to "carry" them. Why would you need any player to carry the other 4 on your team when this is in fact a team game. If all 5 players are equally sharing the load then there is no need for a player to frag out. Also, have you seen impulsive play lately; he is putting up a lot of crucial frags and pulling a lot of rounds for x3o out of the gutter.
#29 is right and #1 is ignorant. I'm not a fanboy but judging by eswc alone I would say x3o is on the level of top teams around the world and any given match they may pull out a win. A match is so fragile that the score can change dramatically from 1 kill. 1 kill goes one way, the round is won, other team saves, momentum loss etc etc.... MYM > x3o 16-10 MYM > mousesports 16-0, mousesports > fnatic 16-9. x3o > mtw 16-14. All these matches could of gone either way or at least been much different scores. The way you can tell if a team is on the top level is not by scores but by how the rounds are won / loss and if the team is trading kills or getting slaughtered. x3o proved that they can hang with the best.
i usually wouldn't even respond to any of these posts but this one is kinda funny. we are obviously disappointed with our placing but i feel like if u put any other team in our group they would have had the same result, or maybe even worse. you think fnatic would have beat both mtw and mym? what about estro? estro lost to mym as well and definitely would not have been in the finals if they were put in our spot in group stage 2. to say we can't compete is a joke, but i do realize that the final placing in the tournament is really the only thing that matters so i somewhat understand where your coming from.
tbh x3o should just stick with the 5 they got and just keep playing together... team chemistry is probably more important than having the best aimers possible. look at mym, how many events have they won with that lineup? and those 5 sure as hell aren't the top five aimers in the world (well neo sure as hell is), not to say that they aren't all incredibly skilled.
All the players are great, they have good teamwork, and play extremely smart, if they keep the same five their chemistry will be even better for wcg, and who knows it may even be their time to win. Gl in the future guys, good job at eswc.
x3o definitely has the talent, its really just a matter of having the mental toughness to compete at an international level
look at fnatic, estro, all those other teams. they can make 15-7 go into overtime, just because of their drive and motivation. everyone complains that american CS is so underrated, and i think in terms of skill yea its true. but when it comes down true drive and discipline, you know we just dont have it yet
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American CS turned to garbage when its top talent switched games.
But by your logic, germany, brazil, canada, china, russia, spain, etc. ALL are not ''on the level'' because they havn't come close to winning in a few random tournaments.
Everyone's seen EG on a good day, they can compete, everyones seen X30 on a good day, they can still compete.
I'd say for not having our top talent playing at international tournaments, we're not doing half bad.
They aren't 3D and coL but they're still giving the top teams in the world a run for their money.
its obvious US isnt up to skill with anyone else in the world, but non NA teams are all still play 1.6 opposed to US and CA where some people switched to source and some stayed theres still skill growing in this new era and they will eventually get there if the game doesnt die that is
we just need more international tournaments like eswc that just happened here in america so that our teams have a chance to compete more with the international competition
well all the good US cs teams switched to CGS which plays a completely different league and game so our more decent cs teams moved up as our best teams which still is short compared to the euro teams. the good euro teams stuck around and didnt switch to source so they didnt have a problem dominating the 1.6 scene. if it wasnt for CGS, america would have had a very good chance of being a top contender.
#1 your a complete moron, you just said "and maybe one day they will get better" how do you propose they do that if people like you " stop them being sent to tournaments"
you just contradict everything that comes out of your cal-o mouth, just shut up and try getting on their level before even THINKING of judging about whos fit to play overseas or not.
I was watching impulsivE play against MYM at ESWC and he hit some pretty sick awp shots.
I think EG needs a better 5th, not that there 5th sucks. The only thing that I am wondering is, who is strat calling for EG, naz or Nepo? Because both of them can't frag as well as the rest of the team and they need a 5th that can frag as well as the rest of the team. Bring back evolution or pick up a better fragger.
american cs
Proven fact.
x3o is the only team who had a chance...
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bottom line american teams just can't compete on an international level anymore.
I remember that then they came back and placed top 3 at almost every event
And just to throw this in... I think they are pretty good right now. They could have easily advanced passed group 2 stage and you never know what could have happened from there.
EG plays super randy where they it either pays off against the big teams and they come away with an upset or they lose rounds one might describe as hastily played.
Then you have x3o who play the 'right way' in terms of organization and teamplay but don't have the raw fire power to get it done consistently against the world's elite. The problem there being that tournaments are so tight and competitive now once you get into the last 12 teams of a big tourney that you REALLY need to be able to grind out some 16-13 or 16-14s against the teams who are a few notches above, otherwise you don't even get a shot at a top 8 which in itself isn't an amazing accomplishment.
It would make a lot more sense to have a team run like x3o but composed of the best 5 active CS 1.6 players in North America. This should probably have been done back when x6, turmoil and eMg were the big 3. Makes no sense to be wasting unnecessary energy dividing up talent when the pool isn't strong enough to support more than 1 top 5 team.
What do you mean they are not on the same level consistently as international teams? They rarely get to face any real good teams unless they are at a big lan event such as this one. They placed top 5 at GameGune (their first international event) and should have gotten out of group play second day at ESWC.
They not only beat e-STRO, a team that just came in second at ESWC.. losing 16-14 and 16-13 in the finals) but also beat mTw... a team who is ranked #2 in the world currently by g7.
For that being their first MAJOR lan event I would say they did pretty well...
having chemistry is great.
new and exciting strats and anti strats are great.
but sometimes you just need that raw fire power.
winner
I cant disagree with you guys really. i think they played well at the tourney. but you have to admit while watching them play against the other international teams that you wished theyd have a bit more raw aiming in their team.
So you are saying going undefeated in Stage 1: Group Play (beating e-STRO and n!faculty) and then going 2-1 in Stage 2: Group Play (beating mTw and MoB while losing to mYm.. who won the trny) is because they aren't good enough?
They beat a team that came in 2nd at ESWC and lost to the team that won ESWC by the score of 16-10. If you honestly think x3o could not have pulled up another upset after Stage 2 with the way they are playing I think you are underestimating how good x3o actually is.
They have some vastly underrated players on their team who the international scene should starting paying attention to.
But you have to understand this was most of x3o's first big lan event. As I mentioned in my previous post I think the international players and fans will start hearing about impulsive and goodfornothing a little bit more as they will be more ready for their next one (hopefully WCG).
Impulisve was missing a ton of awp shots that he would normally be hitting in CEVO or at x3o events but maybe he was feeling a little bit of pressure.. idk.
#20 I do agree with you there a tad. Impulsive/ben/gfn have that raw aim definitely. As for the others, had they been replaced with maybe n0thing and another solid aimer you might see them a bit higher on the international scale. Then again, sometimes sacrificing chemistry for fragging abilities has brought some teams down instead of up. You could also say that new chemistry could also be built. Never know!
x3o beat n!faculty, eSTRO, and mTw at ESWC.
MoB beat wNv at ESWC, but only lost to SK 16-10.
i'd say USA is doing fine... but could be doing better.
I hope you don't think m4gic should be replaced :(
eSTRO finished 2nd in ESWC and beat fnatic getting there.
n!faculty is a top 3 German squad and got eliminated early.
x3o is definitely on the level of these "elite" teams that you speak of. Not to mention that they finished in the money at GameGune(their first overseas event?) and beat two of the teams currently in the top 5 WORLD rankings. x3o has the chemistry and a fantastic manager in NickFitz as well as the attitude of a professional team. The only thing that x3o is a few more international events, once that happens we'll see where they fall.
Edit: In response to the people saying that x3o has no one to "carry" them. Why would you need any player to carry the other 4 on your team when this is in fact a team game. If all 5 players are equally sharing the load then there is no need for a player to frag out. Also, have you seen impulsive play lately; he is putting up a lot of crucial frags and pulling a lot of rounds for x3o out of the gutter.
x3o needs a hero
x3o is decent, but you even heard mTw say they underestimated them, and eSTRO already advanced so they didnt need to play their best.
MoB beat a wNv pug, thats it. wNv got no practice at all with the 5th they used.
USA isnt doing fine, only x3o is. Thats reality.
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because you're too good to do so? right?
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look at fnatic, estro, all those other teams. they can make 15-7 go into overtime, just because of their drive and motivation. everyone complains that american CS is so underrated, and i think in terms of skill yea its true. but when it comes down true drive and discipline, you know we just dont have it yet
But by your logic, germany, brazil, canada, china, russia, spain, etc. ALL are not ''on the level'' because they havn't come close to winning in a few random tournaments.
Everyone's seen EG on a good day, they can compete, everyones seen X30 on a good day, they can still compete.
I'd say for not having our top talent playing at international tournaments, we're not doing half bad.
They aren't 3D and coL but they're still giving the top teams in the world a run for their money.
Way to go boys
you just contradict everything that comes out of your cal-o mouth, just shut up and try getting on their level before even THINKING of judging about whos fit to play overseas or not.
I think EG needs a better 5th, not that there 5th sucks. The only thing that I am wondering is, who is strat calling for EG, naz or Nepo? Because both of them can't frag as well as the rest of the team and they need a 5th that can frag as well as the rest of the team. Bring back evolution or pick up a better fragger.
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