I know there is no sound, it is not voluntary to make it seem "less legit", it just takes too much time and I don't normally use it in my movies.
I put some music to make it a little bit less boring I guess...
ENJOY!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSpgm_SwiDA Got to love the crosshair placement (predicts where the guy's going to go) in that pistol round and also how he avoids the T in the last clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF4_Hdk99r.. Those 2 rounds were not "blatant", he just plays it differently from usual. At the beginning of the 1st one he barely checks lower (unlike most other rounds) and jumps across mid DD when no one's watching and he double zooms green boxes for a while (doesn't check lower) then he gets flashed, once flash's gone he checks lower for a while waiting for the guy to peek out I guess and gets tired of waiting so he moves his crosshair up to cat level but he aims down after realizing he can't actually even see the guy that's coming, then he sees the guy misses and falls back to the right which allows him to avoid the guy DD lol
The grenade thing is just weird, dunno why I put it in but w/e, he takes the risk of getting shot to throw a nade in igloo although the T could've possibly been in the open or on the right side.
2nd clip: panda trying to hide the fact that he knows where both are and accidentally preaims at the 2nd guy as he hasn't come out yet and then aims back down and back up.. :D
3rd clip: same round as 2nd clip, he pushes lower without knowing the guy is there, trying to hide his ESP he accidentally brings his crosshair towards the T (that he sees through the wall) so he tries to aim back towards upper but ends up aiming back towards the T to win the round.
4th clip: panda tries to push cat but decides to fall back and wait for me, he avoids 2 flashes then 1deags me, goes back to A site and 1deags someone coming cat, then pushes back cat seeing that it is clear...
5th clip: panda ducks to avoid being seen by someone crossing B's DD and then stands back up revealing himself to tunnels which is retarded considering he should've ducked all the way to boxes but didn't since no one was tuns.
6th clip: panda and someone push cat and he just looks at lower before hearing people pushing it lol
Conclusion: I'll have to agree that some of those would easily be justified by communication but most of those are done while the T's at cat do NOT make noise at ALL except that round where I push cat and he 1deags me.
To me it seems like ESP was used against us and they tried to hide it but failed a couple times by pre-aiming people and adjusting their crosshair placement according to the other player's position..
Also, this is a clip of one of Panda's cheating friends playing against me, we played out and he never told us they were cheating: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke-KxBX4XuA
nothing on the 1st clip to indicate cheating. at the end of the first part, you can see that the ct was flanking them from long and almost obviously told his teammate that they were coming cat. and the second part was just him getting killed (?).
nothing on the 2nd or 3rd clip either. it doesn't look like they're cheating at all to me.
#4 Nope, the CT pushing came fom DD and didn't see anyone and no noise was made. What's funny is the crosshair placement and how he follows the guy..
And the 2nd clip he just points his crosshair towards the guy couple times and then jumps window knowing the T jumped there (pretty stupid), and he doesn't even watch window either.
3rd clip he brings his crosshair closer to the cat guy but decides to aim back down and he has an obsession with lower for some reason. He also tries to avoid the guy pushed up DD..
i didn't see him following, all i saw was him switching between cat and lower b. the crosshair placement is pretty much a normal spot considering there was no noise made. it looked to me like they were playing against either bots, or really horrible players.
only watched the first clip and not nearly enough to be considered cheating. maybe you should invest more time in getting better then making bad cheat movies.
#6 watch more carefully... as the T moves up on cat, he moves his crosshair up, and when the T goes down, he aims down.
#7 watch all the clips lol
The deca3 clip is the most blatant imho and the pistol round, the rest were just weird. =I If you guys don't think that's blatant I could easily cheat and you guys wouldn't even notice it =)
Don't forget only 1 of them had his client's screenshots and in their last match, one of their guys had something like "Game tabbed out, not taking screenshot" every 10 seconds in his ESL log..
someone good at esp'ing wouldn't look through the walls like that, ie. they would avoid it
someone bad at esp'ing would react faster to things, pre aim more, react to movement more, have a 'relaxed xhair' position more towards enemys (ie. when theres one guy left on long an he kills some in A, he doesn't turn towards long)
someone legit would sometimes have coincidental crosshair placements, semi-stare at people through walls but without reacting to them in a way an esp'er would. Also that 2nd clip, people bad at esping would have shot the awp @ the first guy he sees, he'd have to be taking cheating seriously and be relatively decent at it to react how he does. Unless ofc. if he was toggling but .. i doubt
@ about 51.5 seconds he jerk-reacts towards the guy at long. But when he gets the kill in A look where he points at, if he could see someone on long behind the wall most people at least would turn towards long or drop the crosshair on crossover.
Just watched deca3 now, definitely legit or at least playing legit for the rounds you showed. Where hes m4ing outside B, and climbs towards window, as soon as he finished spamming if he was esping he would have looked towards the window or avoided being killed from their, even the best cheaters would have acted alot differently in that situation. Looks legit.
Edit: btw on gotfrag you'll mostly get replies from americans who's cheating knowledge goes about as far as knowing a friend who got banned for using one of jimsters cheats. I bet most people here would be shocked by what ESL ban for / how closely they look into cheating, i'm still surprised/impressed by what they ban for.
QUOTE:someone good at esp'ing wouldn't look through the walls like that, ie. they would avoid it
That's what they do lol, and they still bring their crosshair towards a guy they can't even see, but seeing as how it's pretty blatant, they aim back down. That happened once for deca and twice in the same round for panda, it's pretty obvious panda was cheating, idk bout deca.
And you're wrong about the "non-twitching" because they would try to hide it.. no?
If I had ESP I would let myself be killed a lot and I would make sure not to be too blatant about it.
Watch deca3 again @ first clip he doesn't check plat/pit 2nd clip @ 28secs he preaims guy cat through the wall and doesn't even check back of cat, then goes for the guy lower, and twitches to cat (no sound was made) but aims back down and when he sees the guy he aims back up.
After that he twitches again trying to hide the fact he saw the guy lower and was about to prefire him.
Legit people don't play like that LOL
Next round he 1deags 2 of us, when he's done he pushes cat making a lot of noise and doesn't even check anything like boxes or the stair's corner just goes right for the guy at cat..
yeah ofc they'd let themself die, but I know what people cheating look like, good and bad at it.
QUOTE:That's what they do lol,
don't get what you're agreeing to there really, I'm saying they're not avoiding it like the plague, they're avoiding it like natural randomness. Ie. they have an idea that hes between DD and window, and their crosshair placement is random in that area. Bad cheaters would watch the closest corner to the enemy, ie terrible US cheaters would point at the window if he was closest to that etc. Good cheaters would stay looking at one corner irregardless of where the enemy is, look at the other corner at entirely unrelated (to the enemys position) times, or look at the opposite corner to where the enemy is. This doesn't look like either. Looks like what legit people do.
Unless he's a mediocre cheater that isn't really good but isn't really bad? Never seen it like that before though lol
QUOTE:And you're wrong about the "non-twitching" because they would try to hide it.. no?
can you elaborate on that, not sure what you're getting at or what point your arguing against
Well you said good cheaters wouldn't aim at people through walls then you say the guy is legit because he didn't look at the guy through the wall? (long)
Which is a bit of a contradiction =X
Did you see what Panda did in deca3 at mid DD and lower? Do you see how he jerks toward the guy cat without seeing or hearing him?
Don't bother looking at any of the clips other thane the first one. If there is any incriminating evidence it would be the fact that he moved his crosshair up while he thought he would be hugging the rail on cat, and then moved them down when he realized he was hugging the wall.
Even then that could be coincidence because nothing else showed any hacks.
QUOTE:Watch deca3 again @ first clip he doesn't check plat/pit
that's almost exactly how I push long, crossing fast without waiting to get peeked. He carries on moving EXACTLY the same when the guys approaching being visible. Both movement and mouse movement.
QUOTE:2nd clip @ 28secs he preaims guy cat through the wall and doesn't even check back of cat, then goes for the guy lower, and twitches to cat (no sound was made) but aims back down and when he sees the guy he aims back up.
After that he twitches again trying to hide the fact he saw the guy lower and was about to prefire him.
disagree completely. When he aims up then back, his reaction to really seeing the guy is too natural and just what would happen.
Thought process of a legit player in that situation that would result in that happening: Killed guy mid, i'll go back to checking cat, (aims up), might be someone else low down or around doors, (briefly aims back down), oh guys jumped over rail (reacts)
You can tell hes focusing on the enemy, ie. checking if hes visible, and not focusing on his crosshair placement. It could happen legit, but people wouldn't usually aim that lazily or randomly. Does almost look like hes got his eyes on the enemy and is just faking his crosshair placement like people do. But I wouldn't say he was cheating just based on that, the other clips backup his legitimacy rather than the opposite. So i'd let him off for that thing at 41 seconds just based on watching the other clips
QUOTE:Well you said good cheaters wouldn't aim at people through walls then you say the guy is legit because he didn't look at the guy through the wall? (long)
Which is a bit of a contradiction =X
no it wasn't a contradiction,
they wouldn't have their xhair on them through walls for no good reason. They would consciously avoid the natural 'random' crosshair placements where you point at people through walls. They'd see they were aiming at someone through a wall and avoid it by pointing away.
Whereas the part on long, after he's killed someone, he would still be in keen-mode and would aim on crossover (not at the guy, just at the closest entry between him and the enemy), ie. pretending to be waiting for someone to cross. He wouldn't keep on looking around A site for about 1 second until going into relax mode. He would either keep checking A (to look legit) then relax and look at long, or after the kill look straight towards crossover.
#20 lol people told me the same thing when I exposed DchozN's little scam(s)
"lol who cares" "who cares it's only 50$"
I'm kinda tired and I'm having trouble getting my point across because this isn't my native language but it's pretty shady when you know all the little details about Panda and tNt like how we usually rape them and how a lot of people think Panda cheats =()
Plus I did this out of boredom, we would've lost that match regardless because we played horribly that day...
I'm not saying this is proof of them cheating, you can't really prove someone cheats unless they aimbot or speedhack and look at you directly through walls =)
i also like how u post the video's without sound, because that play's a huge part in CS LOL
on my 2nd deagle shot * if i was to judge my own clip * wouldnt i have shot or aimed a bit closer the left if he came up like that? because he stops then comes out, and reaction is to move ur aimer to the left, tho i didnt at all i kept it steady :\ no matter what situation u would get nervous and move a little bit, the fact is both of u ran into my shot and all i did was click..
also they went to CNC lan and proved themself's, i couldnt make it because i live in the bay area, tho i will be attending a 1k asap and we'll see then? i like how ur best proof is of my friends, if u have enough friend's that play cs 1 of em is bound to hack and play CS cuz they play WoW and dont give a pjuck about this game. Ur str8 dumb about deca's clip.. :\ he's cogu
and ur proof for the 19 round's were these clip's LOL, maybe if u guys stuck around and played out instead of raged off u would'a caught us slippin yo =]
wow harlE you're still bragging about this get over it you guys got spanked 16-3 nice try on video maybe you should use them walls you used to edit the clip.. #t[N]t #clicknconnect
#17 u got me perfect on what happened DD, too many time's ive gotten g4y3d from above after killing one mid... 2 lower flash cat / 3 cat was what i was expecting. and i kill 1 lower the cat guy is bound to jump down for the easy kill to get me offguard, i didn't see one so i look back down for the 2nd lower guy (if there was one) .ie. gna flash/nade and have 4 rush cat. Eco round's u always have to be aware, people catch u in bad angle's just to f8ck ur money up. :|
I was gna fall back to ct/mid and spam , so the only option of them shooting me would be from cat, since DD wud be a bad idea if your lower and just saw your teammate get killed :D
Also on 0:41 or w/e i was checking to the left of the box to make sure he wasn't hiding behind there, i why i looked to the left ._.
btw on the deagle clip, deca/cruz[since he died there] called cat so i fell back to that spot. Which i like alot since i saw like aZn 1D like 30 people, and im asian so yeah =D also if i did push out i would of left the guy on LONG box by himself watching cat/long and that spot is an easy pick if im watching cat since people long usually look at the bottom part. So i wanted him to get an easy kill, while i kept watching cat passive so we could try to win the semi-eco with a man advantage
these guys seriously type like brazilians/retards its amazing
where did you learn this new grammar rule that for plurals you add an apostrophe and then an s
time's clip's play's
jesus h christmas
and its a huge circle jerk of +fragging with these people
i'm going to have to agree with the cheats, #17 had a great point. I thought you were retarded harle for putting in that clip, but when you look at it like #17 said it does look pretty blatant. I mean he checks the corner first then when hes sliding he decides to keep staring at it only he's aiming really lazily and looking further left than where he just checked where nobody would be. So yea, it looks like hes waiting for the guy to be in screen.
in conclusion, probably cheats and if they don't then they still talk like morons and have the dumbest insults i have ever heard, rivaling even the insults of the brazilians
#t[N]t movie two
nothing on the 2nd or 3rd clip either. it doesn't look like they're cheating at all to me.
#7 watch all the clips lol
The deca3 clip is the most blatant imho and the pistol round, the rest were just weird. =I
If you guys don't think that's blatant I could easily cheat and you guys wouldn't even notice it =)
Don't forget only 1 of them had his client's screenshots and in their last match, one of their guys had something like "Game tabbed out, not taking screenshot" every 10 seconds in his ESL log..
LOL 1 43 oon the second clip where he crouches ramp!?
Those are clips from 1 match and from 2 players only too
someone good at esp'ing wouldn't look through the walls like that, ie. they would avoid it
someone bad at esp'ing would react faster to things, pre aim more, react to movement more, have a 'relaxed xhair' position more towards enemys (ie. when theres one guy left on long an he kills some in A, he doesn't turn towards long)
someone legit would sometimes have coincidental crosshair placements, semi-stare at people through walls but without reacting to them in a way an esp'er would. Also that 2nd clip, people bad at esping would have shot the awp @ the first guy he sees, he'd have to be taking cheating seriously and be relatively decent at it to react how he does. Unless ofc. if he was toggling but .. i doubt
The only thing that i noticed in the bits I watched that I would say indicates hes cheating, is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSpgm_SwiD..
@ about 51.5 seconds he jerk-reacts towards the guy at long. But when he gets the kill in A look where he points at, if he could see someone on long behind the wall most people at least would turn towards long or drop the crosshair on crossover.
Just watched deca3 now, definitely legit or at least playing legit for the rounds you showed. Where hes m4ing outside B, and climbs towards window, as soon as he finished spamming if he was esping he would have looked towards the window or avoided being killed from their, even the best cheaters would have acted alot differently in that situation. Looks legit.
Edit: btw on gotfrag you'll mostly get replies from americans who's cheating knowledge goes about as far as knowing a friend who got banned for using one of jimsters cheats. I bet most people here would be shocked by what ESL ban for / how closely they look into cheating, i'm still surprised/impressed by what they ban for.
don't get what you're agreeing to there really, I'm saying they're not avoiding it like the plague, they're avoiding it like natural randomness. Ie. they have an idea that hes between DD and window, and their crosshair placement is random in that area. Bad cheaters would watch the closest corner to the enemy, ie terrible US cheaters would point at the window if he was closest to that etc. Good cheaters would stay looking at one corner irregardless of where the enemy is, look at the other corner at entirely unrelated (to the enemys position) times, or look at the opposite corner to where the enemy is. This doesn't look like either. Looks like what legit people do.
Unless he's a mediocre cheater that isn't really good but isn't really bad? Never seen it like that before though lol
can you elaborate on that, not sure what you're getting at or what point your arguing against
Even then that could be coincidence because nothing else showed any hacks.
that's almost exactly how I push long, crossing fast without waiting to get peeked. He carries on moving EXACTLY the same when the guys approaching being visible. Both movement and mouse movement.
disagree completely. When he aims up then back, his reaction to really seeing the guy is too natural and just what would happen.
Thought process of a legit player in that situation that would result in that happening: Killed guy mid, i'll go back to checking cat, (aims up), might be someone else low down or around doors, (briefly aims back down), oh guys jumped over rail (reacts)
One thing that shows the kind of thing I look out for most (what most people can't seem to hide) is shown @ 41 seconds in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUJzETchPss
You can tell hes focusing on the enemy, ie. checking if hes visible, and not focusing on his crosshair placement. It could happen legit, but people wouldn't usually aim that lazily or randomly. Does almost look like hes got his eyes on the enemy and is just faking his crosshair placement like people do. But I wouldn't say he was cheating just based on that, the other clips backup his legitimacy rather than the opposite. So i'd let him off for that thing at 41 seconds just based on watching the other clips
no it wasn't a contradiction,
they wouldn't have their xhair on them through walls for no good reason. They would consciously avoid the natural 'random' crosshair placements where you point at people through walls. They'd see they were aiming at someone through a wall and avoid it by pointing away.
Whereas the part on long, after he's killed someone, he would still be in keen-mode and would aim on crossover (not at the guy, just at the closest entry between him and the enemy), ie. pretending to be waiting for someone to cross. He wouldn't keep on looking around A site for about 1 second until going into relax mode. He would either keep checking A (to look legit) then relax and look at long, or after the kill look straight towards crossover.
#25 <3
i also like how u post the video's without sound, because that play's a huge part in CS LOL
on my 2nd deagle shot * if i was to judge my own clip * wouldnt i have shot or aimed a bit closer the left if he came up like that? because he stops then comes out, and reaction is to move ur aimer to the left, tho i didnt at all i kept it steady :\ no matter what situation u would get nervous and move a little bit, the fact is both of u ran into my shot and all i did was click..
also they went to CNC lan and proved themself's, i couldnt make it because i live in the bay area, tho i will be attending a 1k asap and we'll see then? i like how ur best proof is of my friends, if u have enough friend's that play cs 1 of em is bound to hack and play CS cuz they play WoW and dont give a pjuck about this game. Ur str8 dumb about deca's clip.. :\ he's cogu
http://www.noobflicks.com/watch/6288/cruz..
and ur proof for the 19 round's were these clip's LOL, maybe if u guys stuck around and played out instead of raged off u would'a caught us slippin yo =]
you're still bragging about this
get over it you guys got
spanked 16-3
nice try on video
maybe you should use them walls
you used to edit the clip..
#t[N]t
#clicknconnect
I was gna fall back to ct/mid and spam , so the only option of them shooting me would be from cat, since DD wud be a bad idea if your lower and just saw your teammate get killed :D
Also on 0:41 or w/e i was checking to the left of the box to make sure he wasn't hiding behind there, i why i looked to the left ._.
btw on the deagle clip, deca/cruz[since he died there] called cat so i fell back to that spot. Which i like alot since i saw like aZn 1D like 30 people, and im asian so yeah =D
also if i did push out i would of left the guy on LONG box by himself watching cat/long and that spot is an easy pick if im watching cat since people long usually look at the bottom part. So i wanted him to get an easy kill, while i kept watching cat passive so we could try to win the semi-eco with a man advantage
like cheating is anything new.
where did you learn this new grammar rule that for plurals you add an apostrophe and then an s
time's
clip's
play's
jesus h christmas
and its a huge circle jerk of +fragging with these people
i'm going to have to agree with the cheats, #17 had a great point. I thought you were retarded harle for putting in that clip, but when you look at it like #17 said it does look pretty blatant. I mean he checks the corner first then when hes sliding he decides to keep staring at it only he's aiming really lazily and looking further left than where he just checked where nobody would be. So yea, it looks like hes waiting for the guy to be in screen.
in conclusion, probably cheats and if they don't then they still talk like morons and have the dumbest insults i have ever heard, rivaling even the insults of the brazilians
I've learned so much from you guys, thanks
so much <3 I know exactly what to
do now I'll never get caught ;)
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he was the last line of defense against my aceclutch.
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