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Counter-Strike: Final CPL Predicted Seeds

By: Ben - Published July 28, 2004 at 3:51 AM EDT - Writer Archive
Here's our last shot at perfection, the final CPL seeding predictions for CPL Summer 2004. We hope this final version is what the CPL will be announcing in a few days when they release their seedings. Check out what we have and see where your favorite team stacks up.
by Trevor "Midway" Schmidt


Seed Name Trend The Good The Bad
1 SK.swe Spawn looked great and a #1 seed should make the CPL a tad bit easier No matter what seed the event should scare everyone and SK.swe has more pressure to prove ESWC was a fluke.
2 NoA

EverLAN reconfirmed their NA power added to their ESWC USA win.

Group play claimed them at ESWC, at least they won't have to worry about that at CPL.

3 mouz In the eyes of many they don't deserve it but they are still 3rd place winner from the last event. Roster changes, inconsistency and just plain old bad play make them one of the teams people actually want to draw when brackets are announced.
4 mibr 5th place finish last year makes them a force but even more so is the cash behind this team. ESWC; what a flop but that won't matter in the long run if they can put up a good showing at this event.
5 EYE A second place finish under Gamepoint.AMD at CPL Copenhagen and recent CPL Summer 2004 sixth place finish anchor their seeding hopes. Name changes are costing them big time, more like sponsor changes. They'll need more stability if they expect to continue to keep their high seeds.
6 The Titans

Should be the highest non-attending Winter CPL team after their huge ESWC win.

Again didn't attend last CPL and beyond ESWC they weren't much outside of Denmark.

7 United 5

Last CPL's 7th place finish leaves them right at it again plus EverLAN confirmed their new lineup can play with the big boys.

With the addition of da bears and t0oL along with the losses of fRoD and moses, this might hurt their team chemistry that made u5 famous in the first place.

8 g3x They are the only team to finish 9-12 that is showing up this event, expect for a brand new Forsaken squad. They didn’t look so hot at the pre-CPL LG event and the loss of a player should hurt badly.
9 TSG They deserve to be ahead of all three teams at the same level as them last CPL, 13-16, with a very good ESWC and ESWC USA.

3D finished at 13-16 along with TEC and Gamewyze giving CPL some options ahead of TSG.

10 3D

Such a huge name in the community and major CPL sponsors with a CPL 13-16 placement last event.

Where do we start? They need to turn the tide of growing poor results if they want to change the communities' outlook on them.

11 4 Kings

CPL has been good to them, 8th last event was actually an off-year, a good seed should be a given.

Last CPL wasn't a fluke, this team isn't getting better and losing some players hurt badly.
12 zEx CAL-I finals and having three members from a previous CPL really plays in here as they should be left with an actually good seed.

Well beyond having a little inconsistency they haven’t been to any of the major LAN events in the USA, ESWC or EverLAN.

13 EG

They benefit from being in CAL-I and winning their division to go along with a 17-24 placement.

Simply haven’t done it at CPL compared to expectations but being Canadian best team its hard to see them not getting a decent seed.

14 Punto CL

Another team from outside of Europe and America who has been to many CPL's including a 13-16 finish last Winter.

They are just outside of the radar down in South America under mibr's shadow.

15 D!E They had a 17-24 finish at the last CPL and really are one of the few teams left from that grouping.

Let’s count all of them, 1) CAL dislikes them, 2) CPL probably in turn dislikes them, 3) they got moved down, 4) I know there’s more I’m missing here.

16 Echo 7

Recently won their division of CAL-P and still have their old roster from previous CPL glories.

It was a while ago when they had a solid CPL finish plus CAL-P isn't CAL-I no matter how hard you want it to be.

17 GBR.Titans An early qualifier winner should give them a boost in seeding plus put them on the fast track plus a 13th-16th place at CPL Copenhagen is noteworthy. Lack of understand for their roster and questions surrounding how well Asian teams stack up could hurt a potential seed.
18 Forsaken

A 9-12 finish last CPL should normally mean a very good spot and solid CAL-I play including playoffs.

Well let’s be honest this is a completely different team then the last event, maybe they should switch with Rival they might have a better seed.

19 TEC Well a 13-16 placement should be enough to get a great seed. They don’t have three players from last CPL, so good bye 13-16 seed.
20 GameWyze Another 13-16 placement and a CAL-I playoff team like TEC. Again like TEC keep three guys and you could expect a high seed equal to your CPL finish from before.
21 GG A long history as a great team and they should be up higher. Beyond not being at the last CPL, they do not have three guys from their previous CPL teams which should hurt them.
22 Gatekeepers CPL has a long memory and this CPL Copenhagen 4th place team will certain like to hear that. Been a while since we have seen them at any international event even outside of CPL, inactive always hurts.
23 Gamers.nu

A big CPL Spain qualifier win leaves them with a good shot for a top 30 seed.

No experience at CPL and very little name in the community outside of the site they represent.

24 D-Skyline

They have a known name in the community and shouldn't be overlooked when seeding takes place.

Recent struggles in Finland and no CPL history makes it tough to see them ahead of a lot of other teams out there.
25 Rival

A CAL-I finals appearance carries this seed and they have played pretty well at recent LAN events.

They placed 24-32 at the last event and now don’t even have three for the roster rule, they will be hurt.
26 4DN The Japanese Qualifiers will be hard to gauge as normally foreign CPL winner's always end up finishing with a higher seed then expected.

Long list here; not well known, not from a proven country of CS and none of their players are known to anyone in America or Europe.

27 DiN

They won the Peru CPL Qualifier and like 4D above them its hard to gauge foreign CPL Qualifier winners as their seed normally reflects the Qualifier they won.

If the Qualifier they won as bad relations with the CPL watch out, also read 4D's reasons for a lower seed and apply here as well.

28 M5Team They should have been the loudest person cheering on Vitrus.Pro at ESWC because that can only help them. No previous CPL, limited exposure and not enough people know how good the Russian eSports scene is.
29 c9

A CAL-I team with a 24th-32nd placing at the CPL should see a top 24 seed but they could move up if there's any doubts surrounding the European teams above.

Lack of proving in CAL-I with the late addition combined with no stand out wins could be tough to justify placing them over any Europeans that might come up.

30 Infinity-eSports Their name holds some weight in the CPL minds and the UK scene has always seen the benefit of good seeding at the CPL. If CPL ignores the past exploits of this team, that had a different lineup, they could be in serious trouble for seeding.
31 ZeroFade

Placed 24-32 at the last CPL and if they take that into consideration hardcore they will benefit even more.

Who are they? No CAL-I or major international events outside of the CPL will hurt them.

32 ECO

While not finishing first at CPL Canada they did get a qualifier spot, plus CAL-I should help.

Limited exposure and non-playoff spot in CAL-I should drop them below others with more experience and name.


  Teams just out of the top 32:
   

Team 64, Alternate aTTax, Cyberglobe, Boomtown.cph



Statistics from Winter CPL 2003 (GotFrag predicted seedings vs CPL actual seedings)

Top 8 Stats

  Teams from 32 team preview in top 8: 8/8 (100%)
  Teams 1-8 from 32 team preview in top 8: 8/8 (100%)
  Teams positioned correctly by exact spot in top 8: 4/8 (50%)
  Teams positioned correctly by exact spot or in direction of bias: 6/8 (75%)
  Teams positioned correctly within 1 spot in top 8: 6/8 (75%)
  Teams positioned correctly within 3 spots in top 8: 7/8 (87.5%)
     
Top 16 Stats

  Teams from 32 team preview in top 16: 15/16 (93.75%)
  Teams 1-16 from 32 team preview in top 16: 12/16 (75%)
  Teams from preview placing in top 16 in exact predicted spot: 5/16 (31.25%)
  Teams from preview placing in top 16 in exact predicted spot or in direction of bias: 7/16 (43.75%)
  Teams positioned correctly within 1 spot in top 16: 8/16 (50%)
  Teams positioned correctly within 3 spots in top 16: 10/16 (62.5%)
     
Top 32 Stats

  Teams from 32 team preview in top 32: 27/32 (84.4%)
  Teams from 32 team preview placing in top 32 in exact predicted spot: 6/32 (18.75%)
  Teams from 32 team preview placing in top 32 in exact predicted spot or in direction of bias: 13/32 (40.6%)

User Comments

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NiCe =O
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ouch a little harsh on mouze are we "Roster changes, inconsistency and just plain old bad play make them one of the teams people actually want to draw when brackets are announced." true maybe but harsh
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u5 and mibr are placed a bit too high on that list IMO. mouz is also overrated but everybody is infatuated with that team or something.

mibr choked at the last LAN event they attended (with not as many high-caliber teams) and they're put 4th? so that's what sponsors get for you I guess. they need a little red arrow next to their name.
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D!E 15th yaya!
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Let’s count all of them, 1) CAL dislikes them, 2) CPL probably in turn dislikes them, 3) they got moved down, 4) I know there’s more I’m missing here.

You're missing the fact that the entire esports community hates them because they are immature fa gots, other than "i like to ride d!es dick" boyer.
#devastation #teamayb
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I think The Titans will finish 1st or 2nd. They were realy strong in ESWC.
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D!E should be a lot lower behind TEC and stuff because their roster has changed a lot aswell. Patyo, ice and keen are playing for them and im pretty sure none of them played for D!E at last CPL but then again they have kmode, batman and cuz who did play last year so they might get lucky and get a good seed.
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All it takes is three guys on the last CPL roster, they don't have to start all the games either for it to transfer. That's the rule that's in place and CPL has expressed to me privately that they will enforce it, so this is my best guess without that.
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I want to see how fast 3D gets knocked out. If they choke on the first day... it will be worth to see.
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yeah thats what a figured since you said TEC didnt have 3 members from last year so they will be hurt by it trev~, just wasnt sure if having 3 from a previous CPL and not using them each match would keep your status from last event.

This comment was edited at 07/28/2004 4:39 AM
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We'll see soon I guess. :P
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ECO's not attending so that 32 is a scratch :D
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too bad adrenaline isnt going =(
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Are you going to be doing a Top 10 prediction(final results) or something along those lines?
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is spixel going?
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Seriously... where the hell is Spixel?
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spixel isn't going
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cs spots for the cpl is full

spixel can only attend if someone cant attend and give away their spot to em

n omg the titans is placed 6th (curse of the 6th seed lol that article was funny read)

This comment was edited at 07/28/2004 5:54 AM
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GBR.Titans didnt attend CPL Copenhagen.It was TheTitans who finished 13-16
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umm i-es folded over a month ago so i'd say that was a pretty generous seed prediction! ;-)
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exactly, why are i-es there? replace with TAG ;o
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I hope these seeds won't be near the official seeds because they are far from reflecting the actual level of the teams.

For example gl to the top seeded team meeting m5team in 1/16 (they are just much better than the virtus pro you saw at the ESWC).
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if ECO isn't going imma gonna be hella mad. It's impossible for Canadian teams to raise the funds to go to CPL's so a team that gets a free trip and doesn't attend is just plain insulting. Why even take away that cpl spot from another team like utp if your not going to go.

In the interest of all Canadian cs players the entire ECO team should be stoned to death if they dont go!!!!
if anything will drive you crazy prematurely its the gigabyte commercial
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Eg is the only good canadian team no shut the face.
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These aren't the official seeds but their a good indicator. The way the seeds are set up doesnt always put the best teams at the top.
The internet? Isn't that for technogeeks with spreadsheets?
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look for GoodGame :D
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I-eS don't exist anymore... what are they doing there?
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wow 24 get a clue. rsgaming gonna pull some upsets just to prove you wrong.
if anything will drive you crazy prematurely its the gigabyte commercial
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Yoy !

Funny seeds since there is 9 US teams (10 if you pick NoA as a US team) in the TOP 20. Leaving behind teams like GG, D-Sky, Gamers.nu and m5team. Sometimes the seedings take base on CPL results, sometimes on things that. I think some US teams are overrated, like 2/3 European teams are under/overrated. Tournament will tell. Good luck all !

p.s: I know those seeds are still predictions, but they are reflecting a way of thinking.

p.s: Why seeds shouldn't be updated after each Qualifier ? They belong to the CPL.

This comment was edited at 07/28/2004 9:37 AM
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How many bad events do mouz have to play to get out of the top3? :)
One more thing, how can GBR.Titans that placed 13-16 at CPL-Copenhagen, be seeded over us(GateKeepers) and we finished 4th, as CPL-Copenhagen are the only reasones mentioned as reason for thoose seeds.
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Gouki, elude, wakefield... 1,2,3

"They don’t have three players from last CPL, so good bye 13-16 seed." Is that an error or am I missing something? :/
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#30

mouz has achieved 3rd twice at CPL Final and
GBR.Titans is the winner of CPL China qulifier 2004

make sense?
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omg, cpl without adrenaline :(
i wish gotfrag could get a Quebec flag
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these are just predictions you know.

let's hope the real one won t look like these ^^
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This comment was edited at 07/28/2004 12:33 PM
HuH????
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i ws thinking the same thing #31
#demi
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#28 Lmao he was right, Canada isn't doing anything.
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two good swedish teams do not attend :(

spixel and adrenaline...
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wtf cyberglobe is better than #29-32
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spixel should def go becuz many teams will not attend cpl
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The Spanish CPL qual had better teams than everlan, and since Gamers.nu won that event they should be seeded higher. And NoA #2? Maybe if the seeding only went by the last years CPL results. Good thogh that this isn't the real seedings.
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Come On .CL , Show What You Got!
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Midways predicted seeds are probably very close to the real seedings #42. The CPL dosen't really take into account other large Lans when they seed teams. Mostly Past CPL placements, CPL Qualifiers, and CAL I placement. That means teams that everyone knows are excellent but hold little to no CPL experince will get poor seeds. That's just the way it is, and that is what Midway is trying to predict. These seeds are his prediction on how CPL will do it, not on how Midway himself would seed it.

This comment was edited at 07/28/2004 1:38 PM
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nice one on the tec messup... they DO have 3 returning members..
we're in a box
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no adrenaline :/
"In order to find his equal, an Irishman is forced to talk to God."

#6, im not so sure about that, arent the titans missing whimp from cpl b/c he couldnt attend due to age? whimp is like their powerhouse lawn mower with rifles =p
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#37 What is France doing more than us? Shhh. Full teams can't afford a trip to Dallas unless they win a qualifier.
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Oh by the way those predicted seeds are always pretty accurate. Good job Midway.
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#47 I don't know what France is doing, but I know that I'm American, not French. THANKS ESSEL!
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I hope that prediction for TEC doesn't turn out to be accurate, because that is very off. Midway could be trying to have some influence over the CPL seeding by giving TEC a bad seed and CPL will follow suit, even though it is clear Midway made a error.
we're in a box

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