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Counter-Strike: SK, 3D, coL looking at Team Unions

By: Trevor Schmidt - Published December 22, 2005 at 7:55 PM EST - Writer Archive
Thoughts of a team union have become increasingly more well known but today news broke on not only one but two potential unions being worked on in eSports.
Initial reports suggest that a team union is on the horizon. An article released by GGL.com suggests that a union would be built out of the current model of G-14. G-14 is a private organization of club soccer teams in Europe with familiar names such as Arsenal FC, Real Madrid CF and Manchester United FC all participating.

The problem according to the article, is that nothing has happened yet. A quote used in the article says just that.

"Nothing has been formalized as yet. But we are definitely excited by the possibilities and really feel that it will help further the e-sports scene if successful," said Samuel Mathews, Fnatic’s manager and proposed member of the new organization.

According to the article the following teams were said to have agreed to join the G-7, as it’s being called; Mousesports, SK Gaming, Fnatic, 4Kings, Made in Brazil, Team 3D and Complexity. When GotFrag spoke to many of these organizations they didn’t seem to know much about what was going on inside of the G-7.

"I've been contacted regarding an organizational meeting being held in January, but really don't have enough information to make an educated statement at this time,” said Jason “1” Lake, owner and manager of Complexity.

G-7 refers to seven teams in its name, but the initial list provided by GGL.com suggested eight teams. This leaves one extra team on that list that could potentially not be a part of the initial core group. Complexity might be this team as their email regarding this was from another party. Sources suggest that this other group could be starting up under the direction of Johan “Vesslan” Ryman, Virtual BroadCast Company’s owner and director.

“No I’m not directly involved in that union,” said Ryman, “I was invited for the meeting tonight but couldn’t attend and I might be involved in the future.”

When asked about his own organization Ryman had “no comment”, but the same sources naming Ryman had Complexity’s email source which suggesst he has been sending emails out to a large number of teams. In these emails he has been using the charter name of “eSports Federation” different from G-7 being put together by the seven founding teams. Neither organization seems to be reaching out very far as many Counter-Strike teams are still unaware while others still may be approached by both groups.

“This is the first notice that I have got,” said Saul Fernandez Millan, manager of team X6tence Spain’s most well known and established team.

X6tence wasn’t the only team as Ninja in Pajamas was only recently spoken to about the possibility of an organization.

“Vesslan(Ryman) spoke to me a few days ago but really we have no idea yet what’s going on and I’m still confused about all of this,” said Peter Hedlund, Owner and Manager of Team NiP, “I think it’s needed for the growth of the entire community and a good step forward.”

Ryman agreed with Hedlund hoping that this will all develop.

“I think it’s a great move from the teams,” said Ryman, “Hopefully this will develop into something bigger that will benefit eSports in the long run.”

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whats the point of them
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Sounds interesting..
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they can go on strike like mta
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this is nice, i like it
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I don't think the point is going on strike. The point may be to make suggestions and exert some influence in cases, for example, where qualifiers are played in 1.6 with finals in Source.
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YeaH!!! NICE 11~~
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I dont really get what the hell the article is talking about. Somebody please try and clarify. Instead of the traditional players union it would be a team union? That kind of defeats the purpose.
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Go on strike over a match, great.. :|
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3D is cooler
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neat
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neat.
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seams nice the biggest names in e-sports join together...
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can some1 explain this further?
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they can basically trade player contracts, etc. and collectively talk to cpl about issues like bo3 vs. double elim :/
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I would want a ton more details before I made up my mind if I like this idea or not. I mean if the CPL says they do not reconize a union but is giving out 1 million dollars in a world tour is a team in the union really not going to go?

This comment was edited at 12/22/2005 8:15 PM
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this is the craziest news ive seen in 2005..
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What will the union accomplish? fight for equality in esports? demand equal pay? Go on strike?

Until another story tells me what this will do for Esports, this seems to be a pointless idea

This comment was edited at 12/22/2005 8:17 PM
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I learnt more from the comments than from the article.

Unions > all
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this is only good news for those teams. G-14 only ever acts in the commercial interests of those top teams, not the smaller clubs or players for that matter - its much more like the board of owners in baseball than the players union

it also may make doing business for cpl/eswc etc that much more difficult
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Basically, all the teams well established teams have a council and agree together, kinda like an organisation such as the United Nations, and give a united voice on issues regarding Counter-Strike (and potentially other games) and the way the players are treated.

Related to the G7, is the G-14's (football/soccer) mission statement

The main objectives as they are specified in the G-14 foundation agreement are:

[b]To promote the cooperation, amicable relations and unity of the member clubs.

To promote and improve professional football in all its aspects and safeguard the general interests of the member clubs.

To promote cooperation and good relations between G-14 and FIFA, UEFA and any other sporting institutions and/or professional football clubs, paying special attention to negotiating the format, administration and operation of the club competitions in which the member clubs are involved.[/b]

Relate this to Counter-Strike, and you have yourself an answer....

This comment was edited at 12/22/2005 8:20 PM
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Bad idea, just gives more power those teams in the G-7, and trust me some of them arent so great.
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its not a bad idea in itself, just only good news for the management of those 7 organisations
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i think its a very good idea, good step in the direction of making cs more professional
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ya, will be beneficial
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playing cs is all about fun putting a union will just complicate things
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The problem that I see is.....

Ok 7 teams, but exactly why those 7? How can you only have seven people, and ex players deciding what is good for the community...

I think what would be a lot smarter choice is say a "CPL" union. When all 256 teams registered, they form a union. They then send one person and they can decide on rules, maps, and the players treatments. I mean sure you have a lot of people, but hey it is a lot more specific...

It seems to ME that these teams want to promote themselves, and help themselves in the long run... I'm sorry but untill we find the reason for this union, I don't think it is really going to accomplish anything.

Good luck though.
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an ultimate impenetrable fortress..
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This is only gonna complicate things even more for event organizers.
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They won't go on strike... they'll go on cstrike!

LOL!

But seriously, unions bring drama.
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THIS HAS MAJOR DRAWBACKS!

the 7 teams will have much more power and influence over tournaments and rules in the future. This works in football because there are organizations such as FIFA, UEFA who are non-players and also have influence on the game.
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I mentioned this exact thing in an article i wrote about a year ago. Guess better now than never.
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Another publicity stunt. A union won't work.

If organization 'A' recieves $40,000 from sponsors, and 5 players recieve 8,000 of that as a salary - striking would do nothing, as organization 'A' has no more money to give them - thus you're going to be striking for a longgggg time and it won't be possible to give them a raise.

Furthermore, if it's not related to 'strikes', and is simply a council for ideas/input, then that still doesn't work since these teams have absolutely no say in how the CPL or anyone else conducts it's business.

I'm not sure I really understand the purpose of this..
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Hrm...not really feeling that #27. It would be much better to have set rules way before all 256 teams sign up, also, 200 of those teams are really noob-like :-), they would be the majority and vote for bad things!

This is not a good idea, its an old one that has been floating around the community for awhile, but its a good step. Though, instead of limiting it to seven teams, it needs to be open to many teams. “eSports Federation” would be the better word, and many eSports organizations should be apart of it. I would have created it myself if I wasn't so slow in my growing process, being only 15 years of age and all :).
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workers of the world unite
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what the hell
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Sounds interesting... this article makes it seem like its all underhand or something... not sure how - weird tone lol.
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wonder how this will turn out !
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#33 there are more tournaments then the CPL events.

I do think this would be a step forward if there is some sort of council that will handle all the negotiations on tournament type, seeds, etc. I am sure every organizer that does care about the publicity his event gets by having these teams enter the tournament will listen to them or at least negociate certain things going on. But such council should not only be there to only let players benefit, if its in the name of E-sports in general there will also be improvement for us, the fans, the viewers.
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I think a bigger union could have a dramatic effect on the prize money awarded at events.

Look at sports in the US 50 years ago. players made very little money, but the owners got rich. The players are obviously the key to the whole thing. They're the reason people watch and why sponsors promote it. Top players influence lower players, etc. The athletes in sports unionized and the payrate skyrocketed.

Right now Players from top teams can make enough to live on, but should they be making more? Are the people who run the top tournaments getting rich or just getting by? Whatever the case may be, a union should help balance out the pay. A union would also make tournaments compete through raising prize money so they get the top teams to attend their even and not someone else's

the list of potential changes are long and most of them will benefit the gamers.

This comment was edited at 12/22/2005 9:07 PM
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Good idea; i'd like to see where this ends up.
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The point is to be able to blackmail the CPL or any other competition to change formats or other issues which the top teams deem necessary by collectively not attending their events.
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i dont like the idea at all....
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whats the point of this tho :x
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It's a video game! lol
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with the growth and development of esports, we have a unique opportunity to learn from other models and create something that will work for esports. simply copying the g-14 model would be pretty stupid. however, i'd like to see some more details before passing judgement - vesslan is a guy with a good head on his shoulders.
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#2 yes yes ! =)
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I think one possibility that many people have not considered yet is the possibility of pooling prize money, and then splitting it. Judging by the quality of the teams invited, I think it might be a legitimate possibility. For example, 3D may win one event, place 2nd at the next. coL places 2nd at the first event, and first at the other one. The two teams pool together the prize money from their collective first and second prize winnings and divides it in two, since there are only two teams. Now take this model, and expand it to 7 teams. I think since most of the teams in that group think of the game as "On any given day, any team can win", it would be a much more reliable source of income. Instead of coming home with a 600 dollar check split between 5 players, you can have a more substantial check if you totally bomb out. The only reason I would believe this is the case is because of the timing of this "union" idea: right before the Summer CPL. I think the top teams believe that anyone can do well, and that they increase their chances of getting more money by doing it this way. If any individual team gets a bad seed or has a tough run and can't make it, they can rely on their other "union" members. Maybe it's a bit far-fetched, I don't know.

This comment was edited at 12/22/2005 9:39 PM
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They should get Lunatic Hai in there too, represent the asians. Or Virtus Pro. I don't see why they would have Brazil but not an asian team.
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this is craziness

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