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Counter-Strike: Soapbox: Crouch-Hopping

By: Brian Panchuk - Published January 11, 2008 at 2:50 PM EST - Writer Archive
This week's Soapbox deals with an issue that has seen its share of notoriety lately. Should "crouch-hopping" be allowed in tournament play? Brian Panchuk says it should be for the sake of the game.


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Crouch Hopping

This week's Soapbox was submitted by Brian Panchuk and like all Soapboxes, it is solely his opinion.

In the past few months, the ‘crouch-hop exploit’ has been brought to the attention of admins of online leagues as well as LAN tournaments and the community as a whole. The major tournaments and leagues in America have simply adopted the rule of admin discretion in dealing with this ‘exploit.’ Why has this only recently become a big problem? Should there be a more standardized rule and not left up to admin discretion? How do top pro players feel about crouch-hopping and the problems it has presented?

One of the most well-known users of the crouch-hop (also known as duck-hopping, silent-running, speed-walking, and crouch-jumping) is none other than Patrik ‘f0rest’ Lindberg, the star player from fnatic, who is currently the number one team in the world according to GotFrag’s World Ranking . Lindberg, who is a fan favorite and often rated as the top player in the world, constantly uses the crouch-hop.

Scott ‘evolution’ Cavallero from team eMazing Gaming had this to say on the subject, “I believe that it would be a lot easier on everybody, especially tournament personnel, if crouch hopping was just made legal across the board. If it’s allowed everywhere, then everyone can learn how to do it and there will be no disputes or arguing about it.”

There have been several fads and techniques that have been discovered in Counter-Strike history, most of which were never restricted. Some of these including boosting, strafe-jumping, bunny-hopping, banking grenades off of ledges and walls, throwing a smoke grenade as a flash grenade in an attempt to make your opponent turn, stacking on a teammate’s head in order to see over a ledge or box, killing people through walls, and shooting through fake objects (i.e. the rock edge at the B window on de_dust2). While some of these techniques may be more effective than others when contrasting them with crouch-hopping, one question remains. Are these techniques or exploits?

Jon 'broodex' Gibbons from Meepins fame and current team 50cal looks upon crouch hopping favorably, "Crouch-hopping is quite frankly just part of the game now, and there's nothing anyone can really do about it. As long as the player doesn't have it bound to mousewheel, it should be allowed, and shouldn't be something that can be the basis of a match being overturned. I actually don’t mind it as much as I did at first, as long as it isn’t abused. In my opinion, it can show how CS has evolved over the years. In 1.5 or earlier versions, crouch hopping was possible, but nobody did it, so it’s nice to see a small change in terms of actual movement within 1.6."

As for major tournaments having issues with this 'exploit', the problems at the WCG 2007 Grand Finals tournament seem the most notorious. During the event it appeared as though teams disputed each other just for the sake of getting free wins. Matches were delayed for hours and the results of each dispute varied among teams. All but one of the disputes dealt with crouch-hopping. Tournament administrators were overwhelmed and made multitudes of rulings in each dispute before the disputes were finally resolved. The 'admin discretion' rule was taxed to no end by every team and very few who attended were pleased with the end results of the disputes.

Many top Counter-Strike players have similar opinions on this issue. It makes absolutely zero sense why crouch-hopping is restricted in American leagues and tournaments. Crouch-hopping is essentially just as much of an exploit as bunny-hopping is, and therefore should not be restricted. Dan ‘mehLer’ from team x3o had this to say about crouch hopping in tournament play, “After playing in both American and European tournaments, it seems generally easier to legalize crouch hopping (no mwheel though). All the top teams know about it and most use it, some just more than others. No one really gets caught off guard by it anymore so it would just be one less thing to worry about as an admin.”

This article is not intended as an advocacy for players to run around crouch-hopping the entire match. It is instead a suggestion. A suggestion that there needs to be a standardized, clear rule that all tournaments, leagues, and players find reasonable. The rule that makes the most sense would be to allow crouch-hopping across the board, as long as crouch is not bound to the mouse wheel. Since most clients used in the major American leagues most likely monitor keystrokes, log configs, or log settings already, it would be extremely easy to identify if a player was crouch-hopping by simply reviewing the logs. At LAN tournaments, it would be even easier for an admin to review whether or not a player was crouch-hopping using the mouse wheel. All they need to do is look at the player’s config or restrict it in the GUI.

Many teams, players, and organizations have already been affected by an admin’s decision on the issues of crouch-hopping. All leagues and tournaments need to realize the errors of the past in dealing with this matter, and should use European leagues and tournaments as a guiding point when creating or enforcing rules. The European Counter-Strike scene has been thriving since its conception, and does not look to be slowing down anytime soon. Obviously the game should not be played “as is” without any restrictions, but past mistakes cannot simply be ignored. Growth cannot happen without first identifying problems, and then taking steps to correct them. This article is an attempt to purge the epidemic that has been afflicting the Counter-Strike community for months. Crouch-hopping needs to be legalized as long as crouch is not bound to the mouse wheel.

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Crouch hopping is teh_Gay.
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I hate crouch hoppers. I dont mind the movement, but masking sounds?
now go home and get your fucking shinebox!

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Binding it to mwheel really doesn't give any advantage over any other bind...

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#3 is t0ol_1
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god i hate crouch hopping. it ruined the game and it shouldn't be legal anywhere, ever.

lol @ tool
The difference between heresy and treachery is ignorance
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As long as they make it illegal to bind it to mousewheel then crouch-hopping is fine with me
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legalize crouch hopping.

i dont see any reason to make any fuss about some technique that the CS developers dont even bother to fix....
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Nice read.
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the rules for one player are rules for all the players, so why not legalize it, so who wants to use it ok , who doesnt dont
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i like the way he stated his conclusion towards the end; i feel like he was reading it to me in an english class. i give him an 89. ^_^

but seriously crouch hopping should be legal agreed
-50-Jame^s: lets talk about how im going to send you back to your 20th season of lower level play
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panchuk thinks he's like shag and how this article will change the rules of cs :P
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it need to be made legal !!
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its good when it benefits you. its gay when it gets you owned.
crazlunatic: dude i aint a noob... i'm went CAL IM last season
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i think crouch hopping should be illegal, not only does it effect the hit boxes and sounds of the game. but it takes away strategy and all you see in cs now a days is a deathmatch style of play. Instead of using flashes and smokes to strategically take over an area, you got a bunch of crouch hoppers exploiting the hit boxes. now if the hit boxes were normal it would be a different story, but its not so it should be illegal.
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i just don't understand how you can compare crouch hopping to things like boosting, stacking, or even more ridiculously the fake flash smoke or banking nades off of walls (LoL?)..

and i think #17 explained all that needs to be explained about why it should be 100% illegal.
#select-few
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Agreed #17 and #18

This comment was edited at 01/11/2008 3:59 PM
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Crouch hopping is great and is legal everywhere in Europe. Theres only americans who bans it.
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should be ilegal in league, it kill strategy.

This comment was edited at 01/11/2008 4:10 PM
MYM:"[Counter-Strike Source is]a game that we no longer consider a professional game with a future".
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get a grip guys, crouchhopping will NEVER DIE! ( although binding it to mousewheel is gay)
hope that the big teams do sth about it if the big tournaments etc try to illegalize it T_T
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Well now because of the crouch hopping, CS is no longer the game it used to be. It's more fast-paced and like da_bears stated, a lot less strategy oriented. Which is why playing the game, or being a strat caller feels a lot less rewarding.
I love her.

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Anything that manipulates hit boxes should be illegal. It is akin to tweaking your rates up and down with a bind, or using config tweaks that give you an advantage that the other player doesnt have. If this keeps up cs will become a bunch of guys spraying and crouching back and forth..... oh wait.
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i dont understand why its gay to bind to mwheel. what exact difference does it make? anyone?
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about fkin time you release this article :]
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Personally i think it should be outlawed but i think the most important thing is consistency here. Whether it's made 100% illegal or 100% legal is secondary.
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I agree with #28 it could go either way but the key is that it is either 100% banned or allowed. Personally i think it is a cheat and an explot. Comparing it to bouncing grenades off walls and boosting is a joke. That's called being creative this is taking advantage.
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people are gonna do it no matter what so might as well do something so all the B!TCHig stops! and #26 if you bind it to mwheel you make a different motion and also do not really make any noise at all.
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crouch hopping did not breed a fast-paced style of cs. its the new fast-paced style of cs that bred crouch hopping. dont blame a new and different play style on a so-called exploit.
it should be legalized...its not that big of a deal and people are blowing it way out of proportion. barely effects gameplay
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Wise man said once, " Only Ignorant people, make stupid articles " !
#vertex
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Oh i forgot, as we all know bunny hoping was Illegal in 1.3 even though the game allowed it. This is no different!
#vertex
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thing is, crouchhopping also messes with the hit boxes
PsyKaDeLiK
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#5 if it needs to be done rhythmically in order to work , and mwheel does it unrhythmically @ 50 times per second, then technically it shouldnt work with mwheel, so i dont see the point there.

and second its not just a movement issue like has been said, it greatly alters the sound of footsteps and yes altering hitboxes like others have mentioned.

it is teh gay
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Agree with #17. A bunch of us quit partly because it's just not as rewarding to frag against the awful crouch-hopping hitboxes. And watching HLTV? Ugh, look at the bunch of spasmers.
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#34 cause they aren't messed up already?


if i shoot 12 bullets at the head of the bomb planter none of them hit. let's try and work on that before we worry about this.


thank you. VERY MUCH.



WEED is to AMERICA
CROUCH HOPPING is to CS


LEGALIZE THEM BOTH.
lLOLoLOloLoOLOloLolOLlLOLoLOloLoOLOloLolO...
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Crouch hopping should be 100% illegal, ruins too many aspects of the game and is a cheap exploit.
#Co
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they should allow the spam and -karma options on articles.
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good read
jg4i - just go for it
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lol @ the washed up players saying it needs to be illegal. Dont me mad u cant adjust to the new game.
CS is like Deathmatch now? Well, im sorry you're not as good as u used to be and can't hit your shots :}
Learn to deal with it, its not gonna go away.
Check it out now
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crouch hopping makes me play cz (no one does it there! lol).
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whats the other way of crouch hopping without mwheel?
1d
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panchuck ur a joke dont write anything else 1 or 2 times is ok.. any more = crouch hoping newbies
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you just tap your duck button in the right way so you mask about 70% of the sounds, while keeping about 85% of the full running speed while at the same time you mess up the hitboxes.

even 2-4 steps of crouch run is pretty big, if your flanking catwalk on dust 2, you can do 4 steps during gunfire and they wont hear a thing, and that puts you from the corner of cat on top of the mid double door, to the middle of catwalk stairs flanking the bomb planter. while walking you would of only travelled half that distance, and after the plant they would be saying "Watch the flank", and your flank would be useless. And if you ran normally, it all depends on wether they heard you or not.

This comment was edited at 01/11/2008 6:02 PM
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You idiots forgot this is Soapbox.. l0l@u
Check it out now
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CAL's rules for crouchrunning are fine. you can peak corners and stuff just dont run with it.
LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEROY JENKINNNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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Love how everyone +frags Da_Bears just cause he's... well... da_bears T_T
"Trying to be someone else is a waste of the person you are." - Kurt Cobain (1967-1994)
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This is why hackers like myself cheat in scrims.....

Crouch-hoppers beware....if I catch you crouch hopping, i will turn on see-through-walls.
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Where did you all people get the info about "messing with hitboxes"? Don't know about you but I don't have trouble hitting a guy regardless if he is doing it or not. You just need to aim at the head and shoot...

I think the whole dispute is made up by the same kind of people who accuse people of hacking every time they've lost a game. I read all kinds of CS websites daily and never once have I seen real proof for the hitbox thing.

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