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Counter-Strike: ESWC champs, MYM, must requalify

By: Jonas Alsaker Vikan - Published February 14, 2008 at 11:32 PM EST - Writer Archive
The reigning ESWC CS: 1.6 champion lineup lost their auto berth to a former, now team-less, organization in this year’s edition of the tournament.
(GotFrag) - A public debate over who earns a win, players or organizations, was sparked after the Electronic Sports World Cup announced that PGS would get an auto berth to their 2008 event. The Polish PGS organization was credited with the 2007 title when their five Counter-Strike: 1.6 players won the event in an exciting final with Denmark's NoA.

Five months after the Paris finals, the players left the PGS organization to sign with esport behemoth Meet Your Makers. An exchange of less than pleasant words followed in the wake of the transfer and the split was not amicable. World esport player of the year, Filip “neo” Kubski, and the rest of his team mates cited they had simply grown too big for the Polish organization. The move to MYM made sense for them as they sought to participate in all the big events they could and make the sport into a full time profession.

However, that desire may severely limit their chances to defend their `07 title in San Francisco later this year.

Co-founder of Meet Your Makers Henrik Andersen explains, "Sylvain Millard from ESWC recently informed me that the berth won with first place will go to the PGS organisation and not the MYM team. As a consequence, our Polish players will have to qualify like they did last year".

This means that the Polish players left their auto berth behind as they signed on the dotted line for Meet Your Makers. The right to send a team to the United States, to what is perhaps the most anticipated 1.6 event of the year, will fall to the PGS organization.

Andersen, who is also MYM's tournament and event director, appreciates that there are two sides to this story.

"Firstly I can fully understand that the ESWC want to give more value to the concept of an organization, like PGS or ours" he said. However, he does feel that the tournament organizer should take the explicit nature of the sport into consideration. "I was very disappointed by the decision. They disregard the situation for the individual players as ESWC happens once a year – that, in my opinion is two life cycles for a Counter-Strike: 1.6 team. Bearing that in mind this situation is more than likely to occur again somewhere down the line," said Andersen .

The PGS organization, at present, does not have a Counter-Strike:1.6 team. As “Neo” and company left they were quoted saying that they would not actively seek one out in the imminent future either. The tournament and event director also emphasize that PGS previously stated that they will not continue to support a CS team. Andersen feels PGS' non support of a CS team is a mediating factor that should favor the five players that won the crown in 2007.

"Meet Your Makers remain adamant about supporting our team and we have put up a bank guarantee to send them to the States to defend their championship should they finally be given the opportunity to do so" he said.

The problem, Andersen says, is he is unsure that the team will be able to qualify for the `08 event if ESWC does not change their mind about the berth.

"The sad thing about the Polish qualifier is that it seems, of now, that we cannot make it. If that happens ESWC will be an event without the attraction of a defending champion and the storylines that comes along with that. We hope ESWC will allow us to guarantee that the champions will be returning this year," stated Andersen.

In an emailed statement to Gotfrag, ESWC President Matthieu Dallon points to rule 11 in the rights and duties part of section 3.03 of the tournaments rule set. Section 3.03 was created and came into effect before the 2003 edition of the tournament:

The club gives the following rights:
• Creation and management of teams.
• Property of their team’s sportive results and performances.


Dallon says that he very much wants MYM there at the next event but that the ESWC rules that apply to this issue are crystal clear. There is no room for exceptions.

"No, not in this case. We would love to see the new MYM team at the next ESWC but this is not the PGS edition. MYM has to build their legacy again under their new organization," writes Dallon.

Henrik Andersen offers ESWC’s documented cases where national partners have failed to allocate the funds to send the qualified team to the World Championships as further food for thought on this subject.

"The funny thing is that every year ESWC is afraid that the national partners will not make good on their commitments to the teams that won a spot" says Andersen. "This year, they already have the guarantee that the champions will return... if they allow it."

Dallon does not fear such a situation and points to lessons learned in history.

"PGS has until June 1st to confirm that they have a team to send. If they do not, we will face a situation similar to ESWC 2005 where “The Titans” from Denmark had dissolved as a club and could not defend their 2004 title. SK-Gaming had recruited most of that line-up and had to qualify to participate," writes Dallon. "They did – and we hope Meet Your Makers will as well" he added.

Quotes from ESWC President Matthieu Dallon translated by Taha Benssiba.


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Nice write up BSL, was wondering when news on this was going to be posted ^_^.
I also read the article carmac wrote over at SK it is kind of odd but I get ESWC's postion but carmac also made a GREAT point.

"I do not understand this. Av3K can switch a team and will participate in the ESWC as the defending champion under the tag of Fnatic or SK or Mouz or whoever else. He can switch a team and will be invited back. Five CS players can switch a team and cannot be invited to defend the title no one else but they won." - that is a true point but

"Maybe its because of the way they are listed after they won the event.
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Counter-Strike 1.6 winners MeetYourMakers
Quake3 winner Maciej "av3k" Krzykowski"

That could be the reason they allow this.

This comment was edited at 02/14/2008 11:50 PM
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i think its idiotic to give the berth to an organization... they didnt play the matches, the five players did... granted they may have funded a team to travel, etc. etc. but they still did not have anything to do with the victory itself.

if PGS has any respect for this "sport" or for the players that gave them a name, then they would send mYm to the tourny. stupid rule. stupid organization.
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players
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bad news for UNITED =}
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Dumb ruling. The 5 players that won the tournament should hold on to the auto-berth.
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You misspelled Denmark ^^

Good write up though BSL.
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Why give the berth to PGS they suck now. MYM will qualify but, it will be like a warmup.
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mYm wont probably qualify due to Poland qualifier being at held the same time KODE5 Global finals are.
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#6 right
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#1 can't compare a 1v1 DM game like Quake to a team game like CS...

if a soccer/basketball/whatever team based discipline team X wins a title and next year, all the players have left to team Y, is there any federation that would give the birth/title to team y ? No... no committee in the world would rule that.

ESWC's sole "error" is trying to consider team based eSports like any other teambased sport...

Isn't that what everyone who views this site wants to see one day or another ?

GL to mYm
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strange decision.
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- ESWC's sole "error" is trying to consider team based eSports like any other teambased sport...

Why is this an error? This is a good decision by ESWC, especially with rules in place for this type of situation.

- think its idiotic to give the berth to an organization... they didnt play the matches, the five players did... granted they may have funded a team to travel, etc. etc. but they still did not have anything to do with the victory itself.

Except the organization put the players together and gave them an opportunity to play for them. The organization deserves the victory as much as the players buddy.
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good ruling by ESWC
rules are simple and meant to be followed
there are useful links on my profile (for 1.6) so check it out
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SK.dk didn't qualify. Try to bug him about that. The Danish qualifier had only one spot and Clan-IT won that one. Then SK and ESWC worked something out where the team was allowed to participate anyway :-)
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#13, there is a reason why i Put "error" between quotes....

Dumb ruling. Let players play.
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#15 they qualified as top2 spot for denmark. every country can send 2 teams if they have the money to afford it. at first denmark national organizer could send only 1 team
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GOGOGOGOGOGG MYM!!!!
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what's the big deal, mYm is going to qualify, either by playing at a qualifier or getting hooked up by ESWC... it'd be stupid not to allow a team like mYm let alone an organization like mYm not to attend.
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this is great news. I'll go play for PGS and be invited to ESWC! and I'm horrible!
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this is great news. I'll go play for PGS and be invited to ESWC! and I'm horrible!
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#18 correct they finished second, and then SK paid - not the danish NSP- the trip for SK.DK
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Good decision by ESWC: they have good arguments, and it would be a shame if MYM didn't participate, but s*it happens. It's important to esports in general, to become more professional. Dumb are the ones who would sacrifice progress over one single case, an exception.
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organizations deserve the win because the players signed contracts to play FOR the team. therefor the organizations should get to choose a cs team to send.

I think this is why the CGS is making huge strides. It puts management and rules above the players. In reality, if this is ever going to be considered a sport then the organizations need to be given rights. Props to ESWC for seeing that.

ESWC does invite teams every year to play in the finals...i would assume MYM will be one of the teams that gets an invite
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QUOTE:
ESWC does invite teams every year to play in the finals...i would assume MYM will be one of the teams that gets an invite


I believe Poland only gets 1 invite, due to the small amount of top tier CS teams (unlike Denmark/Sweden for example). Furthermore, the KODE5 Finals take place during the ESWC.pl qualifiers... so they're going to have to miss out on one due to not receiving an invite.
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Let 'em defend their title, for Christ's sake!
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13 they didn't put together crap, they integrated a team into their organization, that's all.
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rules are rules but the are going to be in it with mym fo sho gl
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They should definitely give the auto berth to the players who won in instead of letting it waste to an organization who doesn't even have a Counter-Strike 1.6 team.
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I agree with ESWC decision, it is like real sports. As soccer for example, if a team qualify to the champions league or whatever tournament, and most players leave, the team still going there not the player that earned the spot.

like #2 said "they didnt play the matches, the five players did"; well, the organisation supported them and made it possible for them to go there. If you say that is almost the same as saying that a coach is useless because the players are winning the matches( not talking about cs anymore )

ESWC decision was the most professional one and still, they based the decision in an existing rule that palyers and organisations should be aware of.
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excellent decision by the ESWC organization
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They need to revise their rule set, there is no doubt about that.

An organization's name is usually just that, a name. When teams qualify for ESWC, I believe their flights and accommodations are paid for by ESWC. This means that really, the sponsor or organization had nothing to do with the team's venture and successes at ESWC.

The rule should be changed to include that the entirety of the roster that was victorious must return to retain the auto-berth. The property of results aspect of the rule should be abolished as it holds no water to any conducive aspect of the event.

#34 - Except, you're misusing your analogy. PGS lost 100% of their team members. I can understand if PGS only ended up with 2-3 players from the original. Please cite a team that qualified for the Champions league and lost their entire team, but kept the spot.

In the end, ESWC is sticking to their rules and will need to revise them for future events. They are still far and away, the best organization that eSports has.
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horrible decision...it should go to the team...with the auto berth it has to go directly to the players and not an organization...bad for esports
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Great ruling by ESWC. If people want eSports to be taken seriously then the teams must matter more than the players. You never see anything like this in any professional sport, just because players were on a winning team and then transfered or traded to another doesn't mean they are granted the berths or rights they had under the old mantle - the must re-earn it. As always however, as GF posters are demonstrating, the maturity level in eSports has a very long way to go.

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