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Nathan Calverley reports from the ESWC Korean Masters in Cheonan with his view on just what went wrong for Team EG.usa. I think it's safe to say that all these factors contributed to the rather brutal loss; however, I would like to propose one additional weakness in EG's performance today. So what went wrong? When I was watching the storied and traditionally great teams such as SK and fnatic, there was one quality that set them apart from all the others. Was it their aim? No - at this level, all the players have outstanding aim and reflexes. Was it their strategies? Nope - strategies are indeed important to winning, but when the same maps are played over and over for as long as they have been, strategies become more and more predictable. Was it their recent roster shakeup? I don't think so - Lurppis seemed to be meshing well with his new teammates. So what was it? What is it that sets the greats like SK and fnatic apart from the aspiring greats like EG? It was the absence of noise from EG. An incredible amount of this game is mental. Whether you hit your shot or miss it, clutch the round or fail trying, often times it is dependent on your state of mind. For most CS players, losing a round hurts confidence, especially losing a big gun round or an eco. But for the truly great teams, they shrug it off like an annoying bug on their shoulder. To them, a loss is nothing but an opportunity to do it right the next time, and you can see (and hear) this when watching them play on LAN. The amount of energy exuded by the great teams filled the arena today, but while watching EG play Mousesports, their shoulders seemed to sag a little more with each passing round. Clearly EG was simply outmatched today, but if they are going to progress as a team on the international level, they have to be more vocal. They cannot be afraid to lose the big rounds, because it invariably happens to everyone; but more importantly, they have to believe that they are a team that can compete with anyone, a team that doesn't go quietly into the night. |
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But of course one part of being loud is giving important information so you can make the decisions to go on the offensive. I don't know if their problem is just their unwillingness to do so or something else. However, it is clear that when you look at all the good teams of today, you have to play more agressive from time to time to take the game into your own hands and not let the opponent decide the pace of all the rounds
LIES, f0rest's aim and n0thing's dont compare........at all
I fully believe it is their strats. Their strats work semi-well against north american teams and do nothing for europeans. Simple as that. Not to mention that 2/5 of their players are just not on the same level anymore at all.
either frod and warden begin to truly commit to the game and start practicing for real, cuz their performance wasn't what one could expect from someone that's being night and day getting ready for this tournament, or EG would be better droping them and get into their lineup gamers that are worthy to keep
hope they don't go back to CS:Sucks after this...
screaming and being loud does not = success.. fail article
brazilian teams (latins at all) have the most screaming players (just watch ANY g3x/mibr VOD from CPL/ESWC) and failed hard over and over again..
talk and scream arent the key for them
LMFAO
The other 2 factors hindering EG's growth, which most of us tend to overlook are:
First, they do not have all that good teams in NA to compete with, in order to raise their level to that of the euros.
Second, they are mostly playing online leagues at ~50 ping. So, they are clearly lacking LAN practice and is hurting them a lot. IMO, LAN and online are 2 different worlds in CS altogether.
A few bootcamps with the euros is what they require atm.
You cannot expect them to be able to win against International teams - particularly those of any quality.
From watching them, their aim is below that of the top 10 teams. Their strategies are out dated, rigid and are not versatile.
You forget how much experience, how much chemistry, how strong communications must be in EG. These guys are among the closest, most long standing lineups in professional e-sports. Vocals, communication, chemistry etc etc.. cannot and will not ever be an excuse. Nor will succumbing to pressure, playing too much CS in one day.. or not handling the travel.
EG need to take a good long look at themselves. They need to recognise they are not ANYWHERE near the world's elite anymore. They need to show some humility.. and they need to go back to the drawing board.
Desire to win is not enough anymore. They are too far behind to just pick up the pieces and expect results.
With that said, they still need alot of work individually to compete with the best, It probably wont happen before all the tournaments lose funding and go under though, but oh well.
1. EG's aim is COMPLETELY outclassed by the top teams in the world, the difference is night and day.
2. EG's teamwork is most definitely outmatched by the top teams in the world, as seen clearly by poor in-game leadership and a lack of direction.
3. EG has nothing driving them, they're remnants of the past who, if not dramatically changed, will continue to be in the past until something happens.
Face it, America's only hope are those teams who were still playing 1.6 when all the CGS hoozah was going on. x30, gg, and to a certain extent, the teams such as mnm and such.
If there is to be a rebirth in NA CS, there needs to be a change in the way things are run...
He is their best player, their impact player, yet they are doing the complete opposite of what the euro teams do. SK/MTW/Fnatic all run their strats based of the strengths of their two best players, EG runs the strats that brought them success in 2005 with minor tweaks in a pathetic attempt to modernize their play style.
You watch any of the euro teams, and within a matter of seconds they can drop whatever strat they are running, and head off into a new direction running a completely different strat, adapting to what they see, and adapting FAST, to take advantage of mismatches and rotations.
However, you watch EG, and it looks like whatever strat they decided to run in freezetime, or whatever their mindset was going into the match, is still being run regardless of what occurs during the round.
Its no coincidence why every euro teams plays fairly fast paced on most T sides, and group together and execute on bombsites fairly quick, as they use their skill to overrun teams.
Its sad to say, but the older EG.usa who may have had some easier group matchups did better than all these current American teams. Mostly due to the fact that all of them had the same playstyle and were ultra aggressive, and it allowed them to branch off and run multiple strats depending on what was happening in the round. They didnt have the best aim, the best player, or the same roster for more than 2 months, nor were they organized or prepared. But they emulated the euro teams and played with the exact same playstyle, possibly even a faster version which looked like a chaotic pug, but they were still the best team America has produced in the past 2 years.
even though i like eg, i dont think theyll ever be as good as the old complexity was back in the days. im sorry to say but they lost their mojo, its time to drastically change the team, find a good mix of talented and experienced players then try one last time and if they fail then they should all just retire from progaming. thats just the way the cookie crumbles. We need some new blood in the us scene, find these kids whove been bred into gaming, kids who play since 10 and are now 18 and ready to join a serious team. i think these old players already reached their peak and wont ever be able to compete in the world level again. they just think theyre as good as before but unfortunately theyre not.
imho cs has grown to such a level that most top teams have a similar level of skill/aim; ofc some players standout, but the majority are about the same level skillwise. what makes or breaks a team imo nowadays is how well their players play with each other, the mentality of the team (something like 'give it all and never give up') and how smart the team is playin - you can't always count on f0rest killin everythin in sight, zet lockin down a chokepoint by himself of cyx holding the whole opposition with an awp...
i think EG can become world class once again, but lurppis HAS GOT TO take over as the ingame leader and shake the rest of the team's very core; either he breathes new life into the team, changes how they play and make sure they can be as flexible as possible, relyin more on teamwork than in perfect executions...or they'll play 'stale' for some more time
ps.: i'm sure havin someone as supportive and passionate as jlake behind you, praisin your good plays and helpin to shrug mistakes off was a big impact factor that is also being overlooked. it seemed his relationship with his team was true and as deep as it could be, he truly cared about those guys while under the coL banner...that's got to make a difference in boostin morale and keepin spirits up even in the face of defeat
I cut the rest out.
He almost miss every first shot with the awp but Walle and dsn always get most of them, that's the difference.
Are u guys forgetting about the old EG.us lineup? They achieved much more than this one and yes, they could compete with european top-teams. But EG organization was too stupid to understand that "u just cant come back from 2 years of source and win teams that were working hard upon 1.6 for these 2 years".
And I'm pretty confident there are at least 3 US teams better than the current EG lineup.
Btw warden & frod are the biggest noobs and bigmouthes in the profesional cs history.
the only excuse for E.G is that they are not as good as Sk,Fnatic,Mtw,Wicked and so on. if E.G consider going super pro they gotta pracc alot and just get better or for the fast alternative, they should move to a country in Europe with good ping vs the best teams in the world like Sweden or Denmark. and buy a house and pracc there. or they can just wait a long time for getting better than them. i hope themself didn't expect to get super far or beat any of the best teams there. there is a huge balance between SK and E.G like it is with Alchemists and Fnatic, their both level(s) below.
OT : No point writing an excuse for why E.G lost,its just pure based on what skills they have. you see they dont have the clutch abilities and way to change the round in a few seconds like Fnatic for examples with fOrest or get_right that is totally onfire now since the new lineup. they got NOthing, but hes not on fire as i remember him
they are not even close to them.EG is playing like its 2005.But its 2009.they need more map rotation,better aim(1v3 gore's clutch with 3hp jesus),and they need to stop being sooooooo cocky mr.fRoD.You were at the top 5 awp at 2005 with jungle,cogu,vilden and shaguar and now none of these players are on the scene or even close to their skill.
ps.
You need bootcamp and jason lake
There are quite a few other reasons why they arn't at the top pro level as well but I'll spare yall
Go on EG! Sure you make an top level, just keep on focus and search.
- Was it their aim? No - at this level, all the players have outstanding aim and reflexes: I don't think anyone of EG can have the awesome skill like cyx forrest or Neo lol it does make the difference man
- Was it their strategies? Nope - strategies are indeed important to winning, but when the same maps are played over and over for as long as they have been, strategies become more and more predictable: wrong. CS is all about aim, tactic, teamwork and exp...If u are not trong at 1 of them, ur team cant get far.
- Was it their recent roster shakeup? the answer is: Yes. Look at wNv without Savage & zy, EG has same trouble dude.
and 1 more thing, imo it's da most important one:
- They play Source for quite a long time, abt 1 year. It really hard to catch up with the high level of professional CS now. Thinking outside CS such as football, Kaka Messi or Ronaldo for examples, if they dont play football for 1 year, they are not good enuf to play in a high level. it takes time to make a nice comeback for EG.
my point of view :P
paste "the lack of competition in America"
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