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Counter-Strike: Is America ready, Midway's CPL thoughts

By: Trevor Schmidt - Published December 19, 2004 at 1:42 PM EST - Writer Archive
Every CPL raises more questions then it answers. Can NoA ever be consistent? Is coL this good? And why is no one talking about EYE? Can the Americans truly claim bragging rights?
Every CPL raises more questions then it answers. Can NoA ever be consistent? Is coL this good? And why is no one talking about EYE? Can the Americans truly claim bragging rights?

Questions are easy, answers are not.

NoA has proven one thing, they are not consistent. Nollelva and last Summer CPL proved this team may never be. Watching this team all weekend, the answer lies with two guys; Shaguar and Method.

Team NoA
Win or lose the championship game Sunday, it will not change the facts that surround this team. The former eoL members of Element, Naikon and XqetR had seemed extremely consistent and solid members, both the North American members of this team hold the true keys. Honestly the pair of them hold more talent then the other three members but with it comes a double edged sword.

One side of that sword is the talent; obviously some of the best AWP and rifle work of any players in the World. But the other side of that sword is the hot and cold play by which they live. Just look at pre-CPL LG LAN. From ice cold group play, including a loss to coL, mibr and GamerCo, to rallying on bracket play day to win the whole thing.

Anyone who watched the matches on that Sunday during bracket play saw how effective Method was, the same has been true at this CPL Winter for Shaguar. His play with an AWP has been critical. Even at this CPL, Method and Shaguar dictated the tempo for the rest of the team. The single match lost by NoA so far in this event, featured both sub-.500 FPR’s, the only time that either did that all tournament. But neither has been anywhere near this effective during the low period of this team’s past 6 months.

Could the lack of CAL-I action both Shaguar and Method normally find between CPL’s be the cause of their ineffectiveness? It seems plausible considering both could have become complacent with the 2nd place finish they had at last Winter CPL and without CAL-I matches to force practice they were left unprepared for the following 6 months of match play. If NoA is to be a dominate team on the World scene, they’ll need to solve those inconsistency problems.

The question also must be raised about this team if they can’t find consistency. Can they survive another down period like they had these last 6 months? With the reputations of Element leaving teams and the lack of interest Naikon showed at some points; I’m not sure they could survive a down period of similar length and ineffectiveness.


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america is not ready
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NO! WHY DID YOU TRICK ME SO MIDWAY!!!!

Honestly though, just Prime the whole thing, that's a pretty gay way of doing it. I haven't bought Prime yet and probably never will.
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LoL, the article isnt good enough for me to want to go ahead and do that. Sorry :/
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lmao. You'd think Angel was running GF.
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Good read.
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awww didn't expect that last part.
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SHUT DOWN
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"Honestly the pair of them hold more talent then the other three members....."

Are you on weed or what ?
The day when Shaguar and Method get close to elemeNt´s talent AND be as consistent will NEVER EVER be... period!
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they're better than element, just more inconsistent
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good article. its hard to remember that seedings and the such can dramatically effect the placement of teams, and i am glad you brought that up. look at TEC. a close match to a hot begrip team that ended 4th put them in the losers bracket early. that kind of effect can mentally defeat a team. its also not an excuse as NoA was able to overcome an even tougher handicap, with an accidental rules violation causing them to go to the losers bracket.
its also not a true statement to say that players like element are always consistant. every player on NoA has had some up and down games. one thing that i was struck with was how EYE had a couple players on the upper end of their teams scoreboard, NoA's players were quite close to each other.
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wow, i agree with midway for once :o I hate shag as much as the next oxygen breathing mammal but he was hot today... in patches at least. I think the main point of this article is that SK wasn't there and nobody can really be considered the world's best team without beating SK. However, i feel the role of the cpl maps was understated a great deal here. Having fire in the cpl at all, let alone that late on is laughable and really let the even down. One final thing, bring more CPL's to europe please... nuff said ;)
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lol @ the prime thing.

Anyway, the part saying both Shaguar and Meth0d are just more talented than the 3 others seamed pretty arrogant, especially coming from an american...
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I disagree that the NA pair (as good as they are) are more talented than their teammates. I think XeqtR's been NoA's best player this tournament but I think Element on his day is the most talented in the team (remember when he pretty much carried GoL to a CPL final and how him joining SK transformed them from a great team to an invincible one that won EVERYTHING they attended?).

Listening to your shoutcast though, you were really making an effort to emphasize everything good that Method and Shag did, while often overlooking equally good or sometimes better play from the Norwegians. One example would be Shag nailing a routine AWP shot on the first map and you more or less crediting the whole round to him, while not giving any mention to one round when Element enters the site and drops 3 of EYE in 3 seperate 3/4 bullet bursts to the head, all about 10 seconds apart.

Don't forget that Element and Xeqtr have both won CPL's in the past, so I don't think Method and Shag are the all star team carriers you seem to be making them out to be (moreso in your cast than this article).
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"American teams can still claim a victory" ummm no they cant cause they didnt win f all!!!! Midway go home!!! NoA is 3 Norwegians and EYE is 5 swe players. Where is the NA victory?? the only top USA team to shine was Rival and fair play to them. Apart from that it is was begrip, titans, eye, Noa. Complexity surprised a few ppl but they were never going to win it.
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the prime content here is crazy, good thing i have prime, man u all dont know what ur missing
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Dominant not dominate. If basic grammar is too hard for GF why would people want prime.
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haha, the deception makes me like the artical so much i HAVE to have prime!!11

#14 agreed, everytime shag or 'mikey method' hit a shot you would just hear "OOOOOWWWWW and .... DROPS ...."
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NoA owns, that's all u need to know.
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First of all; great event, enjoyed following it , quite tired after that and i didnt even play in it! That second day is a killer - too many matches crammed in and the quality of the performances dropped as the day went on and it doesnt really give teams a chance to regroup if they have a some bad matches.That is something that needs addressing.

Coming to the whole 4K thing, midway got a lot of unwarrented abuse by the brits for correctly calling them overrated.They proved midway right by turning in probably their worst performance at a cpl?I only watched the coL v 4k game but from what i gather Mangiacapra and Goodfella are the only ones capable of playing for the big bucks in that team, despite the other guys being skilled - they just dont cut it at the top.

Suprised at NoA finally getting it together and XeqtR turning in arguably his best cpl performance.Very solid throughout and all the NoA guys were impressive and well deserved their win.

I called 3D to win last CPL and called them to win this one.Damn u 3D , making me look like a fool, like a fool i tell u! How they didnt finish off Rival/Gamerco i dont know.They have played them enough times on nuke , on lan aswell as online recently to know how to get terrorist rounds off em.Playing to rivals strengths by continuously running strats inside rather than working outside where they usually enjoy great success.Maybe the new round time played a part.Things werent helped by Sal having a real stinker on day2 and if 3D had stayed in the upper bracket who knows how things could have played out.
On a side note Hanes is something else to watch play.His movement is insane and great to watch.Very entertaining.

As somebody else has pointed out, the use of cpl_fire is a joke as its a bad map and de_cbble should have been in there instead.

Great job by TsN as always, GEEGEE

This comment was edited at 12/19/2004 6:36 PM
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Theres no dought that ShaGuar and Method are huge players for NoA, but to claim "Honestly the pair of them hold more talent then the other three members" is the biggest load of bull ive ever heard.

-> Statistics wise Xeqtr and Element were the top 2 players for NoA (using gamesense) . Make your own conclusions.

This comment was edited at 12/19/2004 6:50 PM
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You are an idiot. XeqtR was the most consistent player of this tourney, he was nascent to every match won. XeqtR and Naikon are this teams two MVPs
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new prime warfare :\
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arrogant american, the only reason shaguar and method ever came CLOSE to a cpl final is due to those other 3 players, no american team ever stood a chance at this event
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coL overrated now? Midway's such a coL hater. The CS guys accomplish something, and all you try to do is take away from it. Get some integrity.
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#22 and #23 u are totally missing the point of the article. hes saying that the 3 euros are very consistent, its the 2 north americans that basically decides wether the clan will win or lose. hes not calling method and shaguar mvp's hes saying if they play bad, the team loses. but if they play consistent like the 3 euros then the team has a chance to win. please re-read the article because you honestly missed midway's point of writing the article.
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How is having 2 members of the winning team from North America an "NA victory" of any kind? How many of the top 5 were American?

And wow, that was some pretty lame thinking with the "read the second half of my hastily written article - IF you pay for Prime!"

No.
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lol midway, thanks for cutting a lot off the article, too lazy to read them all anyways. btw it's a good article... so far...
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NoA are lucky that their nemisis Sk Gaming.swe never played. If they played....
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Wow, why not just make this a Prime article? Doing it this way does not encourage me to get Prime...it just pisses me off.
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midway, great site and all, but a few pointers for you.

1. don't write an article for the sake of writing it. That's basically what you did here. You needed something for your prime users and so you wrote w/e came to your mind, even tho it was complete rubbish.

2. Don't support your fallacious theories with false information. eg: Shag and method have more skill than the other three players. Gamesense has xeqtr and element with higher kill ratios than shag or method.

3. If you think writing one paragraph (badly written) will entice people to buy prime so that they can read more of the badly written article, then you're wrong. You'd be better off just making the whole thing prime.

This is in no way a personal attack on your site. I really enjoy it. I just thought that this should be said. :D
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lol #30 i agree

i was just about to say that i twas nice to see an article that wasnt prime and then baam! the prime thing

and whoever said method was inconsistent is legally retarded
#demi
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yea method is probably one of the most consisten players
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sweet, and very g@y
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Not buying it Midway.
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#12 is wrong
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Guys - this isn't meant to be a tease. We've been considering doing this type of format for Prime articles... you know - letting you know what you'll get, so you can get a better idea of whether you really want to buy or not.

Yes, this article was hastily written (last night, late, I believe), but the points later become very interesting. Any prime readers can likely testify that the 2nd half is better than the first.

Anyhow, if you like the idea, say so. if you'd rather have Prime articles be all prime, say so. Don't say "not buying it" - we're not pushing for Prime sales on this one, we're trying a different format.

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Stop all your sooking, your all so immature it's so anonying :/ I'm sure if you were running GF you'd do the same thing, you have to relise that GF is now a business, it's the way e-sports has evolved, people are putting thier effort and time into this and you expect to get everything for free :| seriously, anyone who's made a comment about prime being gay in this thread ethier failed schooled or your below the age of 15.

Ethier pay your 4 dollars or month or something, as much money as you'd spend on mcdonalds in one day let alone a month you overweight geeks$^@*^$
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mate, i see e-sports as a hobby, for hobbies people normally buy magazines relating to thoes hobbies to read about them, i see gotfrag as a magazine in a way, i pay my 5 dollars a month, and get articles of interest in return, i don't think the 50 dollars in a year is much money to sacrafice for a whole year when you think about how much other people waste on fast food and worthless stuff etc, anyway to have prime doens't mean that i'm a fat geek, far from it mate :/
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Nice.
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Midway you speak like a true American spectator of CS. You forget the biggest issue of all. Pure talent and aim gets you top10 placings, what neither shaG, Method or from the looks of things any US team has is the teamwork, tactics and prediction that comes from the calling of XeqtR and ELement. Shag and Method without control are nothing except fantastic players in their own right. How on earth can u claim that these 2 players are the key when their previous teams placed randomly and were inconsistent, where as eoL were possibly the most dominant force that CS has seen. The key is their skill being tempered by a European style and players that can predict movement and placement.
As for bragging rights? Because of what? I still fail to see an American team in the final since 3D those many years back as well as the huge ommisions of European teams with SK, spiXel, TAG and a weakened Titans team. Showings from these teams may well have pushed the teams below Rival well and truely out of the top10. The world does not end at American shores.
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props to EYE
where's bogus?
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#44 for the win
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#44 admits that North Americans have more skill. I agree.
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TYPO FOR MIDWAY -------- YOU MEAN Xeqtr
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I was typing out a long post but then read #44 and he says it all really. Except I don't think Americans have better aim/skill (though he didn't explicitly say that, I'm just clarifying.)

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