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Counter-Strike: Interview with SK|TheSlash

By: Jason Bass - Published January 04, 2005 at 11:41 AM EST - Writer Archive
Trevor "Midway" Schmidt got a chance to chat with Alex aka TheSlaSH, from the SK organization last night. He talks of what happened with the split between SK and their Swedish team and what the future holds for SK and Esports in general.

First off introduce yourself, most people know BDS from SK ownership.

My name is Alex aka TheSlaSH, I am one of the owners of SK-Gaming, together with Griff and bds as all of you may know I live in Cologne and am doing eSports since 1998 on the site of Marketing/Sales and PR also I am the CFO for SK-Gaming and therefore responsible for all money coming in and going out.

Obviously SK.swe's team along with a few other players have departed recently from SK, can you explain why the rash departure?

Well, that was a longer story to be honest, but it obviously started end of November.  That was the time when we felt it was time to talk to the players about their contracts for 2005, as the old ones were running out and of 2004 -Even though results in 2004 were below expected, we saw the possibilities this team has when motivation is high and therefore offered them new contracts with a rise in salary. The reason why we could do so was that insider income rose within the year and we wanted to give this back to the players as they deserve to get it partly -We don't believe in giving the players a percentage on insider, as this would move some of their concentration towards insider and away from what they should do. So lifting salary was the best way in our eyes.  For some of the players the lift was nearly 50% and as everyone may guess, SK is paying high salaries. Well, two of the players did not want to sign new contracts, which moved us into a bad situation as we had a product launch with one of our partners and we wanted to work with the players images on the boxes and stuff but none would do so if there wasn't a contract. So we explained the situation and asked the players how to solve the problem. The main problem, as one of them explained, was that they thought they could get much better offers. So I offered them to get out of the contracts with a two months notice which was a compromise in my eyes. The players denied, wanted a one week notice get out clause, which I think is not possible if one thinks about it. -Well, everyone can do the math on his own, if they had signed, they could have lost two times the new offered salary minus the one they would get from not too much in my eyes but still the players did not move At the same time we learned that the players wanted to make a showcase in Dallas out of themselves, which was something we really did not like at all. I always insisted on solving the problem face to face and not keeping anything away from the other.  We realized the players wanted to make a move.  That was the time when we asked them to sign the contracts before CPL or we would consider sending the German team, which by the way cost us the whole trip. It was thesame as sending the SWE team some people think otherwise, but CPL denied giving out the tickets as we broke a rule by letting this team play a qualifier and at the same time registering the SWE team. So there was no financial advantage at all on our side. When the players still did not move we felt a break in trust.
The whole situation was somehow clashed.  It was me who called all of the players several times, messaged them, explained, discussed...
No feedback at all
From that point on we concentrated on setting up a new team. We agreed with the team that we would meet 9th January in Stockholm. My flight was already booked and none of us would make a move but inform the other side, as it was clear. They wanted to leave and we wanted a new team. Well, the rest is history. Heaton published all of what they planned on Janaury 1st and believe me, we had our own speculation, but we did not know.
That is how the whole story happened.


A lot of people have wonder about the practice of giving BDS a cut of the prize money that the team owns with also being an owner of the team, I assume he has a salary, so that would be mean earns double pay?

No, not at all. The moment bds got a real salary his share on cash prize was cut off. Before it was the players that wanted him around at tournaments to organize all stuff for them.  So I guess it was only fair he was involved there, too but it was a deal between him and the players. I asked both sides a couple of times and it never was a problem.
So I can't understand why someone would come up with it now :)

Well the goal of rebuilding now falls on SK, with Insider so heavily based on the skill of the team, how do you plan to replace arguably the most skilled CS team in the world?  

Ok, let's take a look at 2004
ESWC loss on virtu and later on the korean team
CPL summer
twice losing to Eye
WCG
Losing to 3D and later Maven, finishing 4th
I know, 2003 was an outstanding year. The team won everything they were the ones to beat and people thought so
all over 2004 as well. But except for the WCG and ESWC qualifier, the team was not that world class team anymore.  I can totally understand their situation. Getting on top is always easier than staying on this level.
And when you won everything you can't keep the motivation you had before. We realized that lack of motivation within the team but believed 2004 was over now and with CPL winter they could come back, concentrate on their strength and get back the motivation for 2005 that was needed. But when discussions started and we realized the
guys were up for more and more money we saw their heads were not as free as wished  I am not sure what the future will bring for them.  For sure, an outstanding team, but just as I said before, they got beaten a couple of times and had way more close matches than expected.  I wish them all the best, but we will concentrate on SK now
We will come up with a new team that hopefully bring SK back on track as it was 2003. I mean, the other players and teams we have are top.
We got the Fifa twins in, Zacard is playing for SK, Painkiller is getting better and better and there still is more to come. We will have a CS.SWE team again in the future, but we won't make fast moves now. We need the time to recover from this situation and straighten out things first.

Do you think the team's success in 2003 was due in large part to their successful use of the money system?  Saving out rounds, playing slow.

Ah, ok. Well, that could be, but I am not good enough to say anything on this topic at all.
This is something you should ask Andreas. He is the one knowing Counterstrike and the code bit by bit.
If I gave you an answer it would be pure speculation.

Has SK made any decisions on its current future, I know WEG has offered you a spot, what is the current future of the team?

WEG is waiting for us to present the new team to them and based on this they will let us know if SK is invited or not. A kind of tricky situation here, but I can't change it. I will try to speed up the process, but that is all I can do. Well, regarding the future of the CS.swe team we have made decisions, but it is not only depending on us if we can achieve all of our plans here. But we hope we can cause that would be a nice blast for SK

Obviously you don't want to dicuss actually salaries of your former players but what kind of comparison to other players in the world do you believe they were paid?

Well, indeed we don't discuss the salaries of our players and we don't want them to do so either. I know the salaries of other teams or at least some of them and compared to the ones I know for sure, SK was the top salary But it is not a question of the salary itself I guess,  it is a question of what exactly is a team or a brand worth to get sponsorship for and SK is among the top teams in the world I would say. We have 40 players under contract and on salary.  We are not talking of a budget for 5 or 6 players here .So maybe another pure CS team was able to get good money and therefore could afford paying a salary like SK did to their players, but it is my believe that those who promise salaries of 2.500 $ a month are the ones that won't be able to keep it for long.  eSports is on it's way up and we all have to take the small steps.  As I said above, an increase of 20% for some and almost 50% for other players, that is something you can feel at the end of the month and that is the growth rate within eSports right now To get this straightened out, I do not have a problem when a player comes and wants to get out of the contract cause he is able to get a lot more salary in another team. He should go there of course and I am the last one holding people back. All I want are contracts to be fulfilled.  I can only pay what SK is getting, it is that simple From time to time Griff, bds or I paid out of our own pocket to realize things for the players and not to make them suffer from it. I hope all of this gives you a feeling for what players can earn today and what not :)

In your opinion as a top manager in the community, do you believe eSports sponsorships are growing and how will CS:Source effect sponsorship?

They are growing on a steady base and that is good. But also teams and players have to work their part out.
For the partners SK has it is not all about success of one team or one player. It is about how to present eSports in total and that is what SK-Gaming stands for. Look at the TV commercial we did anyone thought we could do that a year ago? and we got some new really nice things coming up for 2005. These are the main reasons for the partners to stick with a team and that is the reason why I believe in the success of SK-Gaming CS:Source well, it is not too important, in my eyes, look at CPL they focus on painkiller the Asian market is more strategy games orientated.  We should not overestimate CS in total, even though it is by far the largest community we have worldwide But still, it is not THE reason for sponsorships. Companies are more looking for the long term development and Source is a part of it

Those are really my big ones, any other areas you wanted to cover?

Well, only thing I want to say in the end is that the whole sitiuation is not about who is bad and who is not.
The guys wanted more than SK was able to give and maybe the way we talked to each other could have been less emotional, more grown up. In the end a team is moving away from SK. Before the players did not earn a penny as a salary and SK made them top earners in this area. Now they move on cause SK does not seem to be fast enough for them. After seven years working with the industry that build up eSports, I think I have a feeling for the possibilities we have and therefore I wish them all the best for the future. And will keep on working on our long term goals to achieve as many as possible.

Thanks for the interview, try to get them up in the next day.
I am sure in one year from now noone will make a big issue out of what happened on 1st January anymore :) And to all of the guys following eSports out there: Don't believe all rumors, bad talk or blackmail you hear. No player, no management, no orga...nobody insists on ripping of others. At least this stands for SK-Gaming.
Cheers!



 

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cool beans
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and bones
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it sounds like he just disowned his former team.... he seems mad
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very interesting, perhaps a rebuttal from HeatoN is in order.
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trevor. amazing job. tell slash i nice answers D:
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he didnt seem that mad. seems more logical.
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very good answers on his part. both parties have said their piece, no more talking is needed, just some god pure counter-striking.
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cool
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nice reading
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good read.
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Ok, let's take a look at 2004
ESWC loss on virtu and later on the korean team
________

I think they lost to some french team, not a korean.
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Great interview btw, much better than Midway's on HeatoN.
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Clearly HeatoN (and not neccessarily co) got greedy. I agree completely with Slash here, to take on a team that didn't get a salary and then to present them with one, is a huge step forward. I strongly doubt "NiP-Gaming" will get anyway near what SK has achieved. No player is greater than the team, and that includes SK as a whole.
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#11 they lost to maven, Korean team at WCG

This comment was edited at 01/04/2005 12:02 PM
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good read...
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#14 but not on eswc
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really good interview.
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Interesting to hear the other of the story too. Hope I would get paid too someday for playing computer games. :)
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so he says everything heaton said wasnt true and that he was wrong and tells us what really happened... All his answers make it sound like they didnt do anything wrong, how funny for a business to do that
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and how much does it cost to be a member of the sk site? and how many people are members of it?
its pretty much a fact that SK cs got SK the company where it is today.
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Does anyone know what range these players are paid?
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btw #11

SK lost to factory, which is a french team.
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dont care.. just wanna know what the new team will be :)
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Bad attitude from the playes, atleast imo.
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neat read and that
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Nice answers...
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SK only got big because of the cs division... who cares about the rest
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#27 your an idiot. SK's UT team placed first in cpl IN 2004. the cs division is the only thing YOU care about. http://www.thecpl.com/events/?p=2004events

funny thing is the little lie about how he lets players go if they can get a higher salary somewhere else. i dont remember that happening with element :0

This comment was edited at 01/04/2005 12:39 PM
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Thats because he was still under contract...the SK.swe contracts were running out very shortly this time. I believe element still had a lot of time left on his.
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#28

No, he wasn't talking about letting people get out of a contract if they want out. He was talking about renewing contracts. What Element was doing was breaking a contract, what SK was doing here was trying to renew contracts, big difference.
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"the team was not that world class team anymore"

Typical bds/SK-management response, slate the team as soon as they move on. Saying SK aren't a world class no longer is just plain stupid and NiP are destined to be a top3 team this year with their line-up.


Let's be honest, the CS/Q3 teams of SK have been the core of the organization since they first formed 6years+ ago and i can't see that changing. But by the end of the year slash is right and PK will be a much bigger game than it is now but CS / CS:S is still going to be CPL/ESWC/WCG's main showcase.

P.S; very good read!

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some nice answers :)
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although this might also be not the whole truth, it seems to be much closer to it than the heaton interview...
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great and informative interview!
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When you look at things from the outside players like potti/heaton etc can afford to be gready with the reputation; skills and practice time they put in and have.

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Very nice interview, gives a lot of information on the whole ordeal.

Why do they still want another CS team if they are keeping sk.germany?
Why not just have one sk CS team?
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CS is not the largest community world wide, Starcraft is. Other than that, very interesting read.
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It really does sound like Slash gave more information and was truthful to some extent. I don't know why Heaton and co. would leave when, as slash says, some of them were getting up to a 50% raise, and as far as he says, they were getting paid one of the top salaries of any team. I don't know why this salary business is so secretive. In the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, etc, all salaries of players are known. Then there is no reason for to hide salary amounts, we would know the answer right when it happened. Heaton could have said, we were getting paid this amount, other teams get paid this, and if you can't pay us that amount, we're out.

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#37 Sk.ger didn't do so well at CPL as you can see. Surely not as well as sk.swe would have done. I see SK picking up either EYE tbh. What better team to pick up than them? I believe EYE was just formed and then they looked for sponsors and stuff like that after the team was formed. It's not like the deal with SK, where if EYE went to SK, they would already have all these sponsorship deals along with a salary.
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seemed like a propoganda post to me, i doubt it played out like that. He's too focused on 'image' to be able to tell the truth. I am curious about the salary though, and how u can have people making less/more than other players, like im sure spawn was making less than heaton/potti, which is terrible, imo.
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#41 Just like any teams, certain players get more. I think (and this is just speculation) that certain players got paid more because of the time they joined the team. When Hyper joined the team he was considered one of the top if not the best player in the world, so they had to offer him enough to join the team. Surely he was getting paid the most. What it sounds like tho, is they were gonna even out the salaries, hence some players getting 50% increases while others would only get 20% increases.

This comment was edited at 01/04/2005 1:24 PM
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From a different perspective..Nice Job.
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if the managers of Team3D thought this way ("bad performance, bad morale, lack of motivation") then Team3D would be done a long time ago.

I think SK management wanted to try to keep top form, and with some decisions SK.Germany (by winning qualifier) showed potential.
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WEG should just invite NiP instead of SK.swe since SK.swe were the team they thought of in the first place
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Nice read.
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#44 Team3d isn't demanding 100% increases in salary.

Not to say that such a demand is a bad thing -- SK arguably deserved a big boost (and perhaps a cut of insider) for their performance in 2003, and perhaps the players did not adequately negotiate at that time.

But what slash says is absolutely accurate -- SK underperformed SEVERELY in 2004. And they nonetheless demanded pretty big salary hikes. That seems a bit odd.
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nice i-view
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One thing I don't understand is slash's unwillingness to give the players a cut of team profit. (ie an ownership stake in the company)

They could ahve done that without giving the players a management role (which I agree would have been awkward). And it would have given the players a greater incentive to promote sk, insider, etc.

If what heaton said is true (that sk hid the financials from its players), then i can understand why he left. An honest transparent organization is often more satisfying to deal with than a secretive one, even if you ultimately make less money.

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nah this guy is mad because how would u react if u just lost ur freakin best cs team in the world !!!!!! dont u know any common sense !!!! for the interview he was sucking it up and trying to be a nice guy . . .for now . . .

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