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Counter-Strike Source: Optx Go Down in Controversy?

By: Marc Turner - Published January 31, 2008 at 3:04 AM EST - Writer Archive
The San Francisco Optx' undefeated season of CEVO Pro is in jeopardy with a controversial ending in match night 4:1.
UPDATE: CEVO has ruled that OPTX won the round and therefore a OT round WILL be played at a later unannounced time. CEVO's decision is as follows.

After considering the circumstances behind this dispute, the following resolution has been issued. As a result of CEVO not carrying over the "LEAVING THE SERVER EARLY RULE" from our previous rule set, CEVO must take responsibility for this oversight and as a result MUST overlook that fact that the San Francisco Optx left the server before the match was officially complete.

Yes, this is unsportsmanlike and as a result the San Francisco Optx will be issued a formal warning for their behavior. CEVO has updated its rules at this time to include the for aforementioned missing rule to eliminate further disputes of this nature. With that said the last round was technically won by the San Francisco Optx as the bomb was not defused successfully by x3o.

This technically results in the match ending in a tie and as a result CEVO is requesting that the teams play the required overtime round to determine the winner."


USA - It looked as though the Optx had been dealt their first loss of the season Wednesday night in Week 4:1 of CEVO Pro Season 5 on Train. Things were not as they seemed however, as the match ended in controversy and has yet to have a final official ruling from CEVO administrators.

The match was a good one and very close throughout. x3o had a good offensive side the first half of the map, finishing up 5-4 and the match came down to the last round of the second half. In a 3v2 situation, Optx' Ryan "pham" Pham is able to get the plant and gets fragged immediately, the Optx' Yaz "Clown" Ammari takes down x3o's Justin "sunman" Summy as Ryan "NineSpot" Bell starts to defuse the bomb. Bell stops to frag Ammari and then returns to the bomb but he has no kit and no time. x3o's Tarik "rockyte" Elkhatib takes over the defuse but it is too late, the bomb explodes making it a tie match.

The problem is, as Bell begun to defuse, the Optx assumed the match was over and left the server before the bomb exploded. Upon realizing the match was not over, the Optx asked to have the overtime played. The first reaction by CEVO administrators was to let x3o decide if they would play the overtime round and they refused.

CEVO|Pipher, CEVO Director of Gaming Operations, gave the following statement on the matter.

"There has not yet or ever been an official ruling on this match at this point in time." Pipher went on to say, "We had asked x3o if they wanted to play the overtime, but they declined. The Optx then filed a dispute, so we're waiting until we can review the demos before we make an official ruling".

x3o team owner Nick Fitz seemed satisfied with the outcome of the match as it stood.

"I think it is pretty clear cut, and I would have made a similar decision if this happened on LAN," said Fitz. "All five players should never willingly leave a match without the final round being over. Teams do it all the time during scrims, but not when it counts."

Fitz went on to defend his team's decision not to play the overtime.

"CEVO did give the option to the team to play OT, however they made the decision collectively not to, and I had no part in that," said Fitz. "Overall both teams played very well throughout the entire match, and I stand by my team and their decision."

San Francisco Optx manager Kat Hunter had a totally different opinion after discussing the incident with CEVO administrators.

"We have gone through the CEVO rules and have not found anything that would support the 10-8 ruling, in fact what we have found directly supports the need for a 9-9 and overtime round," said Hunter. "We have faith in the fairness of the CEVO organization and using the rules as listed on their site, expect them to rule in favor of our challenge."

As it stands now, the match is being reviewed and no official ruling has been made by CEVO and the overtime has not been played. Stay tuned to GotFrag for further information regarding this incident and the official final CEVO ruling.

The rule that is being cited most commonly regarding this situation addresses leaving the server, specifically it says that if an entire team leaves before a match is over, the remaining rounds including the current round, are forfeited:

21.75 Players Leaving Early
All players are expected to remain in the server until the conclusion of the final round of the match. Leaving a match early is considered unsportsmanlike conduct and, at the discretion of CEVO officials, suspensions may be issued if repeated or aggregious violations occur.

If an entire team leaves the server prior to conclusion of the match, any remaining rounds will be forfeitted, including the current unfinished round.


The source of controversy surrounding this rule is in that it was added after the situation occurred, as stated by Pipher.

"It was added after the situation, we made it more clear. We had just finished revamping our rules and that particular rule didn't make it into the source rules, but it was clearly meant to be there as it is an accepted standard across all events for all leagues. Obviously the rules have been updated to correct the deficiency".

There is still no final decision.

OPTX vs. x3o: What do you think?
OPTX won the round, OT is needed
x3o won the round, and thus the game


Tell us what you think about this incident. Do you think the overtime should be played or do you think the match should be awarded to x3o? Email us at soapbox@gotfrag.com and give us your opinion on this incident or any other eSports related issue you feel passionate about. Your opinion might just make the front page of GotFrag!

User Comments


play the ot, seriously wow this would never happen in 1.6
neo is the best cs player ever, if you disagree, you are a scrub.
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just let x3o keep the win
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play ot
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San Francisco Optx manager Kat Hunter had a totally different opinion after discussing the incident with CEVO administrators.

QUOTE:
"We have gone through the CEVO rules and have not found anything that would support the 10-8 ruling, in fact what we have found directly supports the need for a 9-9 and overtime round," said Hunter. "We have faith in the fairness of the CEVO organization and using the rules as listed on their site, expect them to rule in favor of our challenge."


-I agree with Kat. I also think that this will be a huge mistake on x3o's part, if they do not allow the OT rounds. I believe they will be tremendously disliked by a great deal of people, I also believe it's a sign of poor sportsmanship. -You guys are Pro Gamers, act like it! :) and give OptX the OT rounds!-

This comment was edited at 01/31/2008 4:17 AM
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This match have to be finished. Bomb blew, 9-9 on score. Just play the ot.
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if a bomb blows up in the forest

and no one is around to hear it

does it make a sound?
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forestw0w hears it...
Your friendly neighbourhood Nagelbergman.

#7 i never really got that.. i mean of course it makes a sound if it blew up.. but since no one is around to hear it, then it just means that a bomb blew up but no one was around to hear it..??
Check it out now
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if no one is there to hear it

how do you know it makes a sound ?
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Dumb to leave like that. TBH, they forfeited the last round by leaving early. Cevo could force them to play but it's still their own fault.
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LOL NEW RULE
http://www.cevo.com/index.php?page=div&id..

21.75 Players Leaving Early
All players are expected to remain in the server until the conclusion of the final round of the match. Leaving a match early is considered unsportsmanlike conduct and, at the discretion of CEVO officials, suspensions may be issued if repeated or aggregious violations occur.

If an entire team leaves the server prior to conclusion of the match, any remaining rounds will be forfeitted, including the current unfinished round.

This comment was edited at 01/31/2008 8:05 AM

If the bomb blew up thus making it a tie, just play the damn overtime. This isn't cal-open, no reason to be babies.

This comment was edited at 01/31/2008 8:14 AM
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#12 but thats why CEVO is good. When a new situation arises they make a rule to remedy the problem so it doesn't happen again in a future match :)
I Started the FURY craze!
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What if it happen to x3o, would it be the same? or would they just let it be. My money is on they would do the same.
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of course they would do the same because before hand their was no clear ruling.
^5
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If they all left the server they forfeited that round, it doesn't matter wheter the bomb blew up or not you can't leave while it isn't over.
Leaving like that shows poor sportmanship not refusing to go to OT when the other team left the server.
x3o won.
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i know how you feel, optx. in season 3 my team got overturned a sh*t ton of rounds because a team refused to replay the 1st half after an hltv with 0 delay was left in a server we were using. yes we should have noticed, but that's not the point. the point is they were too scared to replay the half because they got beat 12-3 :/

#12 surprisingly enough they had no rules against an hltv of 0 delay in their 'official' rules until our match happened. it wasn't until after that they added it, and even though it's a pretty common rule, we had to forfeit almost all of our rounds. it was dumb.

oh, and it was playoffs 1st round and it was single elim. we were a 2 seed playing a 15 seed. TELL ME HOW THAT'S FAIR?

This comment was edited at 01/31/2008 9:39 AM
JAMES MADISON UNIVERSITY
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stupid of optx to leave, go x3o! <3 tarik
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Straight up forfeit by optx, no need for the admin to have asked the other team what to do.

x30 wont get any respect with this cowardly win, they decline to play ot cause they're scared, x30 is not gonna win cevo anyways, optx made a mistake be a man and step up x30 ur cevo-p not cal-o wait maybe im
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plz 2 not delete my posts mistar admin :x jesus.

This comment was edited at 01/31/2008 10:51 AM
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No, one of my posts got deleted, just like yours. I'm not a forum moderator.
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they left, it should be considered a ff
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new overtime rule


21.80 Match Overtime Guidelines
In the instance of a tie score at the conclusion of the two halves, an overtime MUST be played to determine a winner. Overtime consists of two (2) five (5) round halves where sv_maxrounds will be set to (5), and the mp_startmoney will be set to $16000. If the score is still tied after the first overtime, then the overtime process will be repeated until one (1) team is deemed the winner. NO CEVO match may end in a tie.


MUCH MUCH MUCH better than the 1 round one
#MexicanGiraffes
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#7 I think a better analogy would be

"If a bomb blows up in a forest

and there is no terrorist team to receive the round win

should the CTs have the round awarded to them?"
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There should be an option for "Optx technically lost the round but x30 should not be a bunch of do[_]chebags and they should play the OT."
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Guys....you all posted your thoughts on the POLL thread. NO one deleted your non existent posts on this thread guys. Now apologize for accusing us.

This is the thread you all are thinking about - http://www.gotfrag.com/css/polls/1155/

Thank you!

P.S. My question is, when does a team EVER decide if an OT is/isn't played in sports?

This comment was edited at 01/31/2008 1:13 PM
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Everyone saying x30 be professional, aren't Optx actually professionals (CGS) , lets leave the server because we are mad (assuming) that we lost before the round is actually over... Immature as hell, you wouldnt even wait for the round to end to say gg? I hope optx gets tagged for a loss on this one, then again I dont even care about source so I dont know why my opinion should matter

This comment was edited at 01/31/2008 1:35 PM
"I never thought I'd see hacker get bent over the table on d2, but I think it just happened" -jESUIT
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someone is scurd to play the optx just gonna be a * by this win the whole season
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They shouldn't have left the match give it to x30
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Optx needs to grow up and stop acting like e-thugs. It is ridiculous that their behavior is even tolerated by the community. They talk crap all the time, show unsportsmanlike conduct, and have done nothing for the community for years now. They easily could have had one of the largest fan bases in CGS if they would just start acting like men and not little kids.

They left the server because they like to throw temper tantrums. CEVO needs to step up and say "Hey, if you want to act like babies and leave the match before it is over then that is your fault."

Most of the CSS community lost respect for them when they played one of their last seasons in CAL-I and talked crap to Electrify on Fire during the play-offs.

This comment was edited at 01/31/2008 3:18 PM
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ahahahahah11!1
Why So Cereal?

Give it to X30.

The admin should decide wheter the OT has to played or not, or wheter X3O wins or not... no team in any sport ever decides the rules... that was dumb of Optx, and dumb of the Cevo admin.
Life is what you make of it. Dreams are what you live for.
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lol #35 trash talking is part of sports and e-sports. And tell me you wouldnt be pissed after playing as bad as they did and thinking that you lost your perfect season.
Go SF OPTX!!! #RageQuit
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Lots of funny things in this.

1. Dumb for Optx to leave the server.
2. Dumb for CEVO to leave it up to x30
3. Overtime is a fresh start. You should be allowed to rejoin the server. If this was on LAN their would be no question that the team would get to rejoin and play out the match. I am not sure if online should be any different.
Its a piece of cake to bake a pretty cake.
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They were dead, why is it important that they left ? I mean, the round would have been exactly the same...
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I don't see how this is even an issue. If OPTX lack the class to stay in the server and bail like babies they shouldn't even be asking for the OT round. It isn't playoffs so hopefully they learned their lesson in time for when money is on the line.
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f_uck that.

CEVO better not give in to optx. They showed no sportsmanship by leaving the server before it was an official loss (or rather, win).

Not only is it rude but it is also dumb.

Optx technically won the round but forfeited it by leaving.


x3o should keep the win.


btw, #28 on the comments from the poll has the right idea.

If this had happened in CEVO-A or CAL-O then it wouldn't even be discussed and the team = to optx would have lost. Simply because they are pro doesn't mean they get special treatment.
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#5 is p-h-a-m, no seriously look. "she" signed up yesterday what a coincidence.

This comment was edited at 01/31/2008 6:16 PM
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Mr Butter, how do they forfeit that round if they leave the server. Point out to me in the rules... oh wait you can't because it wasn't there...everyone saying x3o wins because they left the server are basing it off what rules? Sure optx was being gay for leaving the server but it still doesn't affect the outcome of the round..x3o lost the round, stop being faggots and play OT
=]
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QUOTE:
#5 is p-h-a-m, no seriously look. "she" signed up yesterday what a coincidence.
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That would Be because, I do not remember my old account :) its been awhile.. not that its any of your business.

#22 is right. x3o doesn't have a chance in winning cevo they should stop being pu**ies and do the Ot rounds! -Kairi.
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QUOTE:
#5 is p-h-a-m, no seriously look. "she" signed up yesterday what a coincidence.
\

That would Be because, I do not remember my old account :) its been awhile.. not that its any of your business.

#22 is right. x3o doesn't have a chance in winning cevo they should stop being pu**ies and do the Ot rounds! -Kairi.
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#45
actually it is in the rules.

21.75 Players Leaving Early
All players are expected to remain in the server until the conclusion of the final round of the match. Leaving a match early is considered unsportsmanlike conduct and, at the discretion of CEVO officials, suspensions may be issued if repeated or aggregious violations occur.
-----------------------------------------...
If an entire team leaves the server prior to conclusion of the match, any remaining rounds will be forfeitted, including the current unfinished round.
-----------------------------------------...

the boxed part.
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How is it unsportmanship like? Optx said gg then left assuming someone would defuse. They didn't say F you or something like that then left.
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Mango:
Tell me another sport were people can leave a match early just because a lost is coming.

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