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The San Francisco Optx apparently dodged a bullet in Wednesday night's match as CEVO allows a final round to be played in a dispute over leaving the server early. Marc "Singlecoil" Turner checks in with responses to the story and asks, "did CEVO do the right thing?".  Welcome to the next installment of the Soapbox! Remember, this is your place to get your voice heard in a big way. Submit your rebuttals and new topics to soapbox@gotfrag.com. Include your GotFrag username in the email. x3o was not able to diffuse in time and the Optx won the round, making it a tied match. Normal procedure would be to play one round of overtime, sudden death. It took a very short period of time for the Optx to realize what had happened, reentered the server, and tried to have x3o just play the overtime. x3o refused stating that since Optx left the server, they had forfeited the final round giving x3o the win. CEVO immediately stepped in and gave x3o the choice of playing the round and they refused. The Optx side argued that there was no rule that disqualified them or negated a round due to leaving the server early. Several hours after the incident had occurred, without a final ruling on the dispute, CEVO added a new rule regarding leaving the server. The next day the Optx argued that the rule could not be retroactive, CEVO agreed and has informed both teams that they are to play the 1 round of overtime to complete the match. Several questions arise from this incident with one of the major ones being sportsmanship. Was it unsportsmanlike for Optx to leave the server before the round was absolutely completed? Was it unsportsmanlike for x3o to refuse to play the round? Where do we draw the line between being unsportsmanlike and something being absolutely against the rules? Did CEVO make the correct ruling in the end? Here are some of your responses to this story, one is by Bryan Olds and the other by Cole Lutter. Like all Soapboxes, these are solely their opinions.  Just Play OT by Bryan Olds What happened was unfortunate and we would all love to think it should go x3o's way...Optx is undefeated and the score was tied at the end. Whether they left or not this is the PROFESSIONAL division and there are no ties and players should not whine and/or try and get cheap wins. Perhaps x3o knew Optx was CT and in a one round OT they had the advantage? That is my guess to why they didn't want the OT. Play the OT and the better team will prevail. However they should have just rejoined the server and played the last round instead of making this huge mess. I'm biased to Optx but I do believe if the rules we're in fact not clear about this situation until after the match took place then the only just thing to do is give both teams a chance at glory in a one round OT. Don't Break Your Own Rules by Cole Lutter If you want to be technical about the rules then Optx won that round. The Terrorists Win message came up. And whether or not the rule that was later added was meant to be there earlier or not it makes no difference because it was not there. Just like stores have to honor the posted sales price, unless PREVIOUSLY stated on the website/in-store policy that they do not do this. x3o should not receive a default win for the OT round on account of no one being there for the OT round, because in order for it to be OT you have to lo3 again so the next round after the round in this discussion was a meaningless round. I can understand the ruling made at the time, having probably never ran into this situation before, CEVO did not know how to handle it. But if the decision is not overturned after proof has been shown that the rules that were in affect at the time of the match stated that unsportsmanlike conduct would NOT result in rounds being overturned and leaving before a match is over is classified as unsportsmanlike conduct (according to Pipher I believe, it may have been a different admin who stated this I'm not sure.) If the initial decision is not overturned, then CEVO should not even bother to post rules, since they don’t follow their own rules themselves. Not that it matters in reality whether or not OPTX wins this match, either way they are going to go to the playoffs. Although they could lose their #1 seed which could potentially harm their playoff chances. More important though, is the principle of the matter, if CEVO does not have to follow their rules then no one should. CEVO has been a very well conducted company so far, and it would be unfortunate for them to tarnish their record with a decision going against their own rules, I can’t speak for the community but I know I would not wish to participate or support CEVO in any way if this decision is upheld. I do not agree with what OPTX did, leaving the match early, and this action should not go unnoticed, or unpunished. But CEVO is certainly not going about it the right way, by breaking their rules. I do not know what an appropriate punishment is, something along the lines of a fine, or taking away some form of benefits that teams have. But the punishment chosen certainly is not the correct one. |
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This whole thing got ugly, with a lot of name calling of both x30 and Optyx, without most people knowing what really happened.
anyhow, it should be an intense 1 round with x3o as CT.
GL too both teams!
Just accept the consequences of your stupid act. Even if you lose, you STAY here, and you WAIT 'til you saw that d4mn message saying that you win/lose. If you do quit, sorry but there's no coming back.
Example: You left you exam too early and you forgot to answer the last question. Do you think your teacher will allow you to answer it? No. You can come back in the classroom, but don't expect to have your exam back.
You guys gotta learn from what you did.
Hai faive
<3 optx
I'll ask you a question, though. Why did you quit? Because honestly... In CS in general, you can't really predict what can happen, I mean... It's CS!! You don't know if that guy have a defuse kit, you don't know when that HE nade will blow you the Hell out. So why did you guys decided to quit? What on Earth was in your mind? I mean... You can't say that wasn't a bad move, man. And you kind of pay the consequences of it. Even if you won, you quit before the match ends. if a hockey team quit before the match ends when the game is like 3-2 with power play to the other team and 1 minute to play, they don't quit, they play. They stay and watch 'til the end. Why? Because that is how it is. You simply don't quit. That is some disrespect too, man...
Another one; who quits first, and why did all of you followed him? Why didn't someone left and watch 'til the end? Are you guys all followers?
Thanks in advance for the answers.
I do believe that x3o should have won the round, but i'm in no position to make that call, and your exactly right it has nothing to do with another sport. If i was in your spot i probably would have done the same thing, and acted the same way.
as to madboy, being a ct the first thing you should buy is a kit, why would optx think otherwise, it's cevo-p not cal-o where people forget to buy kits, thats a crucial mistake that costs people rounds, obviously it cost x3o that round that they should have easily won.
p0s i wish you and the rest of Optx the best of luck in your one round and hope you pull it off.
and to any x3o player who reads this i wish you the best of luck as well. Gl to both teams in the rest of the season.
x30 has ct right? So thats probably why they agreed to play ot.
I encourage unsportsmanlike conduct in all activities. GO OptX.
But because this is the first of it's kind, I'm gonna say play the OT round.
By nature, sports have no ethical dimension. The rules are in place to maintain equal fairness between opponents. You cannot indirectly punish a team for something that does not effect the current game if that means it automatically rewards the opposing team in a way that does . It was just a thoughtless act like most of you would commit, all five of them just happened to commit it. Those of you who thought it was unsportsmanlike are ridiculous. Unprofessional? maybe.
The talk that went on later was definitely immature but of course this is a separate issue.
Right decision by CEVO, do it the way any court would handle it. Don't punish the defendant and then pardon the act right after.
That's true except Optx were T. lolz
I don't think its fair to say x3o was trying to get a cheap win. CEVO made the rulings not them. When money is involved and x3o is just starting to build momentum in the league I think it would be the correct decision to not play overtime if they didn't have to against one of the best teams in the league. It isn't cheap because CEVO gave them the option. Look at it this way, lets say for example that a referee in the NFL calls the patriots for a pass interference penalty, but it is a very questionable call. The opposing team isn't going to decline the penalty, they are going to take it and every other advantage they can get to win the game because that is exactly what a truly competitive team does. Also, from what I have seen most of the "whining" has been done by people that weren't actually involved in the match or OPTX members (the members do have a right to complain though just as the patriots would complain about a call like pass interference), not x3o players.
(/sarcasm for those who didnt get it) (im cole lutter)
good point.
Does anyone remember the last time the other team stayed in a match (all dead) while waiting for you to defuse the bomb in the last round?
Yeah I do too. Sort of happens in every match of every division.
p0s you have that backwards! the browns were hoping it would be ruled good, while the ravens had already left the field thinking they had won the game because the initial ruling was incomplete. that FG was to send the game to OT~
Optx was wrong, the message popped on the screen saying T 's win, so they did won the round no matter what.
x3o was also childish since they didn't go on with the overtime i mean it should have never gone that far. Just go through with the match including they already had the momentum...(who knows how it's going to turn out now?)
At the end i think there wasn't a rule for an occasion like that so Cevo applied one. If it was cal then yeah they would've lost.
Thanks!
x3o should be given the win, they would have won had it not for Optx all disconnecting. They're just playin on the fact that technically Optx forced a draw now. Pathetic >_>
It might sound weird, but the 2-round requirement serves as a "punishment" for Optx's unprofessional conduct while allowing both teams a chance to win by ability, not just for free.
Madb0y and #29 are absolutely right. The team that leaves the field/game/what-have-you forfeits the match. Any of you guys saying x3o was equally childish in fighting over the issue may also have a point, but that's in reaction to Optx's original mistake.
Optx may argue that rules shouldn't be retroactive, but neither should gameplay. They should have stayed to watch the bomb explode, not come back after seeing the round result...because it's clear they sure as hell didn't want to stick around to watch if it did get defused. =)
If x3o was really out for a cheap win, what about eSTRO or the countless teams that protested using the silent-hop rule at WCG 2007? The discretion was in their power and money was on the line, a decision I think anyone could easily make.
Useful soapbox, but the first part was horribly edited.
x3o handled themselves like morons, this is professional counter-strike, play the match out and stop complaining,.. They had a legit argument to begin with but were proven wrong. Stop acting like 15 year old and play out the match, now all they've done is lose their momentum and look like complete and utter morons... Childish to leave the server, but either way they came back quickly, not like they waited 20 minutes... Get over it and play the match out. Cevo made the correct call.
http://www.cevo.com/?page=teams&func=view..
thankfully. x3o deserved the win.
if you have less than 3 people in the server, that's a forfeit during gameplay.
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