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GotFrag user Jeff "AlphA" Lada offers his opinion of the controversy surrounding the Complexity vs. Devastation match to decide the final playoff spot in CEVO Pro Source Season 5. ![]() Welcome to the next installment of the Soapbox! Remember, this is your place to get your voice heard in a big way. Submit your rebuttals and new topics to soapbox@gotfrag.com. Include your GotFrag username in the email. All GotFrag Soapboxes are the opinion of the author and do not reflect in anyway the opinion of GotFrag or its parent company Major League Gaming. ![]() In Response to "Let's Make A Deal" This week's Soapbox was submitted by GotFrag user Jeff "AlphA" Lada and is solely his opinion. That being said, the situation, as Warden so eloquently put it, is sh***y. It's really that simple. Let's break it down, shall we? Complexity is known for winning, making playoffs, and usually finishing first or within the money. It's no secret, and everyone knows this. However, now that CGS is over, the money has been pocketed, and the coL CS:S players are essentially locked into next years season, they have been playing much less than they were accustomed in the past few months (a fact they will admit). So, they're losing. All fanboyism, excuses, and nonsense aside -- coL is losing, period-- and far more frequently than they have in recent memory, whether it be 1.6 or Source. In addition to the aforementioned facts (and in case you didn't get the memo) -- CEVO-P is very competitive, save for a few teams that, admittedly, shouldn't be there anyway. So, this inevitably creates the dilemma of coL being a "bubble" team to make playoffs for the first time since _______ (any coL historians in the crowd)? So, the pressure is on for coL to make it and win, as is expected of them by Jason, their fans, and, of course, themselves. So, once again for the first time in a LONG while, you have a situation in which a single match determines whether coL will go to playoffs. Thus, it's coL vs. Devastation on the not-so-popular 1.6 map de_contra to see who gets to go to playoffs. Long story short, Devastation is taking it to compLexity in the second half, Dev's up 5-0, and the score is 8-6 in Dev's favor ... and the LAN'ed coL players get packeted, lag out, pull the plug, Al Gore shuts off the interwebs, or whatever you choose to believe. In an absolute worst case money situation for Dev (assuming each player had exactly $0 dollars the last round they won, and negating $300 for a the frags of that round), each player would have a total of $3250, considering they did in fact win the round. As common sense would dictate, that clearly wasn't the case, and compLexity was obviously hurting in the money comfort department. Thus, Warden offering 3k and 5k startmoney situations is absolutely, 100%, undeniably, completely ridiculous. Sorry, Dino, been a fan of you forever, but both you and I know it's not fair given the circumstances. Fourth grade math and a slight to moderate knowledge of the game clearly indicates that Dev has quite a bit of money while coL has, at best, moderate amounts. This means coL is hurting for money and has to win four of the remaining six rounds to make playoffs. Ouch, anyone? Sure, it can be done, but !8ball says outlook not so good. So, is Dev correct for wanting proper money given the outcome of the match determines who gets to play for quite a bit of cash in playoffs? Absolutely. Did Sasquatch not have a portion of his demo so the CEVO admins could give the players their proper money? Yes. Should CEVO use common sense when allocating the player's individual money if the demo isn't available? Yes. Is there a rule about not having demos in CEVO? Of course, but Sasquatch wasn't cheating, as everyone already knows -- the only question is his money, which, at worse, as I stated, would be 3250. Did coL get packeted, pull the plug, etc etc etc? Who knows. Did coL make a questionable and underhanded offer to Dev? I'm gonna go with yes, as Warden has already implied that he did, and that's not something Sasquatch would make up. Was coL wrong for making that offer? Absolutely. Was Sasquatch "right" for posting the log (two wrongs don't make a right)? I suppose it depends on your morals and where your loyalty lies. Would coL have lost had the match been played out with proper money? Probably. Would coL have lost had the match been played out with no pauses? Probably. Complexity offering up half of their POTENTIAL, not guaranteed, winnings on a bribe for a forfeit is an incredible risk that only indicates that they were scared of losing to begin with. If they believed they would win in a fair money format restart, they offer wouldn't have been made, period. Essentially, it's a slap in Devastation's face because the underlying connotation is that compLexity fears they're going to lose, but believes they will do better than Dev in playoffs (plus it's coL!!! Aren't they SUPPOSED to be in playoffs?). So, they might as well offer half their cash to Dev instead of missing playoffs altogether and getting nothing. I can tell you this, though. It's simply a business decision for both teams. Both teams play to win, but who's going to get their return on investment, and what risk value do you assess to "probablies"? Unfortunately, there is gray area to business that there are no rules for. I hope that CEVO uses common sense for the gray area when making a ruling; it's very simple and doesn't take a Ph.D in CS to figure out. Reset the match with the correct money amounts to each player that has demos available, if they aren't available, give that player the "worst cast scenario" amount. Start the half 5-0 Devastation, and play out. Good luck, have fun, and oh ya... don't allow yourself to be in the middle of a sh***y situation if you don't have the resolve and determination to clean it up.
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User Comments
<@ChanServ> redcell`jersey: Reading foggy -- try again later.ter
In other news, if the rule says demos are required and you forfeit by not having them, then that's the rule. It's all good and well to say "well CEVO meant the rule to only be used for players suspected of cheating", but unfortunately the spirit of the rule wasn't included in the rule.
Poor situation for Devastation, but from recollection something very similar also happened in the CEVO-p season3 playoffs, during which hyper forfeited verge (not 100% on the teams) for lack of demos. It's happened before without the rules being changed or ignored, and I imagine it will happen again.
Still, absolutely understandable for both Devastation and Complexity to fight for this; I would hate to be in either team's situation.
from the START
not that i watch or play css, but col should be in playoffs :0
the very act of warden trying to fix it makes me hate coL ! and warden accepted it so I don't even have a doubt about it.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qtjTYaZ_Gzk
Aswell as i think this is true.
Also lacking demos is a rule and rules are rules.
Both teams should get a forfeit and complexity banned from CEVO for the next season!
harryb, wheresmy pizza
I don't care about either team so what I'm about to say isn't biased.
Since Warden isn't refuting anything, it seems he did try to pay off dev, but with that being said, it's only morally wrong, not legally.
Now, what I think should happen is this. Because of the current situation, CEVO needs to look at the rules and change them so that this never happens again. But complexity should be allowed to continue playing since what Warden did, technically, wasn't wrong.
It's a lot like the criminal justice system.
Also #35 there's an 'escape clause' that essentially allows CEVO admins to make whatever they want up on the spot and still have it count as a 'rule'. I think this would be a good time to use it.
LoL!
ahahaha #25, internet + kids with too much freetime = win
Its a shame coL didn't let us play, it was their call.
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