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USA - The CEVO-Pro Season 8 playoffs came down to a thrilling three map battle between the third seeded Dallas Venom and the fourth seeded San Francisco OPTX. Both teams displayed amazing play throughout the event, with the Venom coming out on top in overtime on the third and final map of the Championship Finals. However, following the conclusion of the best of three series, GotFrag was informed by CEVO administrators that the San Francisco OPTX had filed a dispute against the Dallas Venom.

UPDATE: CEVO Administrators have informed GotFrag as of 3:50am CST, Optx General Manager Kat Hunter has cancelled the dispute in the CEVO Pro Season 5 Championship.

CEVO's Chris Pipher, Director of Gaming Operations, gave this official statement concerning the dispute.

Yes, I can confirm that the San Francisco OPTX have submitted a dispute against the Dallas Venom during the 3rd map of the CEVO-P Finals. The match is currently under review. You can expect a ruling in the next 12-24 hours.

While the official statement from CEVO does not indicate specifically what the dispute is concerning, all indications are the dispute is over Dallas Venom throwing a smoke grenade that blocked the squeaky door from being able to open in the 8th round of the 2nd half on de_nuke. The video at the bottom of the page shows what is suspected to be the incident in question.

The official CEVO rule regarding map exploits.

23.10 Game Map Exploits

It is illegal to use a map glitch/exploit for one's advantage when it was not in the original intent of the game or mapmaker.

Teams and/or players found in violation of these rules will be penalized a CEVO determined amount of rounds from the final match score. All round reversals are on a case-by-case basis and a CEVO official will specify whether or not reversed rounds need to be re-played on a later date.

Refusing to replay a reversed round(s) will result in the automatic forfeit of the round(s) reversed. Additionally, team termination and/or player suspension(s) may occur (suspension lengths and team termination are up to the judgment of the officials).

The rule is open to admin interpretation. If it was determined that an exploit was performed intentionally, the result could be a reversal or replaying of that specific round as well as further reversing of rounds following the one in question.

The San Francisco OPTX had no comment when contacted about the dispute.

When reached for comment, Alex "Jax" Conroy, General Manager of the Dallas Venom had nothing to say on the situation but was quick to focus on the positive. "I just want to congratulate my guys on a well played and hard earned CEVO championship. It was a very competitive season and they worked extremely hard to overcome a roster change and close it out", stated Conroy.

Video of the suspected incident.

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lol optx, sad.

You lost, Get over it.

stupid, everyone smokes out hut/squeaky to smoke-blind the T's, optx just got unlucky, def was not intentional.

But for that money, i'd dispute too.

i just wanna say its bs that the dispute got cancelled i disagree with all of that if u finish watching the demo because of that dominator wasnt blind and ended up killing 4 players that round and in a finals match where every round counts i think that is huge. - MOE

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thats a legit dispute :/
i would of done the same...

LOLOZLZOZLOZLOLOLZOZL

lol I did that same thing on accident in an ESEA source pug because I almost only play 1.6 and figured I could just smoke open the door but that happened.

That's not a glitch that's realism. Go put something in front a door and then open it. Hey it doesn't open as easily.

wow, optx still would have lost...

Why did kat cancel the dispute? What an idiot. That's blatantly intentional by dom, and not being able to use squeaky on t side nuke for 1 round in a match that ended in a 9-9 regulation tie is definitely significant.

Girl's shouldn't run cs teams. Still can't believe she canceled it.

that's a problem with source.

She's probably trying to make up for last time.

woah optx crying once again, get over it you lost this time aswell.
GG to venom.

imo thats a legit dispute but it didnt seem like he did it intentionally to me, especially since he flashed the door when it opened.

I Started the FURY craze!

Agree with #12

Get up, get famous. Play hard, go pro.

I'm sure all these people telling them to stop crying and get over it, would have done the same thing in a CEVO-p finals match for $$$. It could have made all the difference in the round for all anyone knows.

he obv threw that on purpose at the door....he would have to be dumb to not realize it would block the door....u could throw the smoke at a diffferent spot and still get the same result of the smoke without blocking the door....thats a legit dispute and i would be p1ssed off as well if that happened to me....imo round goes to optx

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not to mention cuz wm couldnt flash out squeaky dom ended up raping them that rnd

It's blatantly obvious that he threw the smoke down to block the door long enough for him to reload and jump onto the hut. Legit dispute and they should not have canceled it in my opinion.

Wow thats the stupidest thing i've ever seen. Quite definitely accidental who knows someone grab their playbook "smoke squeaky so it can not be opened" might be in there.

Detective Sarcasm has filed case on post #18 in this thread.

rofl what a stupid game

the rule says:
23.10 Game Map Exploits

It is illegal to use a map glitch/exploit for one's advantage when it was not in the original intent of the game or mapmaker.

first of all how do you know if valve didnt make it on purpose, after all the smoke grenade is something solid.
second point: many people throw smokes there, maybe the smoke fell right in the position where it doesnt let the door open< correction the door did open, it just didnt open completely, warmachine couldve still throwed the flash if he didnt back up once he opened it.
and last the more important: dominator reloaded his weapon and went onto the hut before the door got opened by warmachine, i doubt his flash wouldve done anything to dominator since he just wouldve looked at the wall and not be flashed. What really couldve flashed dominator was his own flash.

EVERYONE CALM DOWN....

it's just sauce.

This comment was edited at 02/25/2008 9:30 AM

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That's not a glitch that's realism. Go put something in front a door and then open it. Hey it doesn't open as easily.

cylinders roll btw

dont know where you guys see that he accidently threw his smoke in front of the door.... dominator clearly aims for it and throws it there... not like he was running around the whole place under pressure with ppl shooting at him. he took his time, clearly aimed at the door and threw his smoke... because of that he was able to go near the vent and kill 4 guys because they couldnt go out of the door since it wasnt opening. legit dispute to me that shouldnt of been removed...

#21
dont be foolish now , wm couldnt of got a flash out that door.

Did anyone seem to notice that Dom basically blinds himself with his flash when he throws it at the door? The fact that he didn't even get it in the door seems, to me, to indicate a little less reason of intent for that smoke. I throw smokes at the door all the time, but I've yet to see it block the door like that. But, this could go either way, he could've thrown it knowing that it would do that as well. Who's to say.

there should be an age limit on stupidity

This has overturned rounds at multiple major lans. If wm had been able to flash and push squeaks it's possible that round could have been very different. Intent doesn't even matter, although I HIGHLY doubt that dominator didn't know what he was doing. Also, this is for money, anyone saying they wouldn't do the same is either lying or an idiot. I can understand Kat Hunter canceling the dispute in order to save face for her organization, but money is money and a cevo-p championship is a cevo-p championship. They should replay the round.

Pandemic was penalized a round at DigitaLife for this exact same thing. The admin penalizing us understood it was completely unintentional, but an exploit nonetheless.

This comment was edited at 02/25/2008 10:30 AM

Kat shouldnt have canceled the dispute. Sure its a cheap win, but when dom did that it gave venom an unfair advantage, possibly costing OptX the round. Good dispute, and shouldve went through with it.

dude...dominator was staring at the door for at least like 3 seconds then he threw the smoke

isnt that the same as like the barrels in de_dust2 , when they're blocking dd at long a and u try to run through the barrels it just pushes u back? i donno whatever

#forza

The way he held door and used flashes really show that he just wanted to smoke and relocate, I really don't think dom is an exploiter.

in 1.6 you cna defuse htrough a wall with 5 players .. so don't call source buggy ...

As gay as it sounds it really should have been followed through, thats one of the most bs things ever on nuke, sure say source is bad but its a reality, it effectively eliminates the squeaky door as an entrance into the site for the whole time the smoke is there.

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gosh cs source is bad, #36 thats not a bug thats innovative.

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#38 why do you even click the counterstrike source link then. Go play your cartoon.

not taking any side yet, but i can't see how dom's flash afterwards should be able to show he didn't block the door on purpose? i'm pretty sure it was still possible to open the door the other way around. so if he had actually hit the door instead of the wall next to it, you could have seen that the flash wouldn't have been affected by that smoke-grenade blocking.

This comment was edited at 02/25/2008 11:40 AM

wow, cant believe the dispute was revoked

intentional or not its a very expensive bug

Just to let you guys know, venom is a terrible team on lan, optx will crush them, also, as far as dominator and his intential smoke, dominator is a fu cking idiot. Watch the demo before u make remarks, if u havent watched it, dont say "it source"

it was not intentional.

he threw the smoke to block the view if Ts rush squeaky.
few seconds later, the door open and he throws a flashbang, but the door closes right away and rebounded on his side instead. he actually probably flashed his teammates.

he didn't know it would close.

and seriously, disputing on finals because you lost is just really un-sportsmanship more than anything.

edit:
its obviously the fact that source sucks too.

This comment was edited at 02/25/2008 12:03 PM

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coming out of squeeky and trying to rush upper when theres a smoke there is not easy, the fact he went on top of hut after he threw it makes it a solid position because its alot easier to see into the smoke from above, he also attempts to flash. It really just looks like an accident to me. Obviously if theres cash on the line it may have looked different.

PH@M was smoking the door also, so it should cancel out.

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Intentional or not, it was still an exploit and should have resulted in an overturned round.

For those saying Source is buggy, have you even PLAYED 1.6? Ever heard of the Flash bug on nuke in ramp room? Ever heard about defusing through walls? or what about shooting through the ground...

:ninja:

#23 have you seen what one looks like? It isn't all round. It has a clip part attached.

#31 has it.

i knew this happened b4

#45
difference between PH.AM smoking the door and venom smoking the door when we were trying to do an upper strat.

w000t i gots some new glitchs i can use in scrims matchs cheya.

YAy And its offical The Cevo Admins never follow by there own Rules.

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