i really dont support all of the plan obama laid out tonight. the section about instituting a leans penalty on companies that provide more expensive coverage plans is ridiculous. why would you punish a company for succeeding?
also, how will a totally nonprofit organization of this magnitude still maintain its books in the black by trimming the cost from existing medicare and medicaid? think about that. 900 billion. for the replies, i understand how nonprofits work. please dont lecture me on that facet.
It's not perfect, as most things in their first iteration are. At the very least, Obama is trying to do something about the joke that we call health care.
I'm probably not the most knowledgeable person on the subject, so I'll let someone else take over from here.
Yes, Gotfrag, debate a 1000 page health bill that you haven't looked at and couldn't possibly comprehend. Then you can all tell us how the U.S government is going to run one of its funds in the black!
yes, senators. debate a 1000 page health bill that you haven't looked at and couldn't possibly comprehend. Then you can all tell us how the U.S government is going to run one of its funds in the black!
The government isn't going to(nor does it want to) balance the fund, or the budget as a whole. Period. They will monetize the debt and use inflation. There's a reason we have the lowest tax rates in the Western world.
If you understand NPO's, you would see how the U.s government isn't bound at all by the constraints of a traditional NPO. IE You ask how such a large cost of 900 Billion can be supported. As you should know, that total number means nothing. If it was 500 billion or 1 trillion, they would have the same goal and same way of going about achieving that goal. A traditional NPO would have to cut benefits(Taking things away from an angry, ignorant public), increase revenues(higher taxes on an angry, ignorant public.), or draw from it's reserves to make ends meet for that period(We run everything in the RED, so we have nothing to draw from). So to answer your question, they can't and won't run it in the black. They will pay for it by hidden means, as always.
Healthcare is not a good #7. You are a messed up individual. I would love nothing more then to see you suffer from aids and cancer and watch your family either leave you to fend for yourself (which obviously you wouldn't be able to pay for it all if you could even work...) or not have the money to help you. Then it would dawn on you how big of a fucking douche bag bigot asshole you are. And you would cry yourself to sleep asking for forgiveness and wishing to die every second of every day.
When every one of your type of people experiences this I will then be happy and society will be able to advance.
thats my point exactly you cant buy a car, you dont buy a car. sure for cars there are payment plans and lease options. im down for those in healthcare too.
you're too poor to buy healthcare bc you have a sh1tty job and didnt go to school, yeah you die. good luck. maybe when the idiots in this country that are too dumb to get a decent job to afford healthcare, this country will go someplace.
govt should only intervene when they use the tax money to better support everyone. increasing taxes to support universal healthcare burdens those who have a lot of income and spoonfeeds the ones who dont.
"govt should only intervene when they use the tax money to better support everyone" The governments job is to provide the maximum benefit for society. Your system does not do that.
"this country will go someplace." Yeah, I don't know if you've seen America compared to the rest of the world. I think we have gone "someplace".
"universal health care burdens those who have a lot of income"
Whereas the current system doesn't? You should ask GM about the burdens of health care. In fact, ask any company about the cost of health care for their employees. It's a huge expenditure.
"you're too poor to buy healthcare bc you have a sh1tty job and didnt go to school, yeah you die. good luck." We are in a recession now with 10% unemployment. Assuming these people had health care before, should they and there families just die? You act like only the uneducated could possibly be unemployed and lose health care. Jesus Christ you are ignorant. I bet those worthless engineers from ford deserve to die in the streets! They should have educated themselves!!!
#23, he didn't say that at all. You've only interpreted him as saying that. He's concerned more about paying for universal healthcare that some people, namely the jobless, won't be contributing to, but will still reap the benefits.
He said that if you didn't go to college and find a good job, you deserve to die if you get sick. What about an engeneer with years of schooling, who has been laid off from the big 3? Trust me, there are plenty of educated people who are unemployed and have lost healthcare. Should this person and their family be left to die, or should the government attempt to provide a MAXIMUM BENIFIT TO SOCIETY?
In 2009, 18% of college graduates found work. In fact, when there is a logjam of talent as the 10' and 11' classes come thru, those people should die in the streets too. Afterall, only the uneducated don't have healthcare or good paying jobs! Welcome to fantasy land, Netro!
I can't imagine how long it took #10 to type that post out, I bet that wasn't even meant for this thread it's something he's been working on for 3 months for another thread but decided to use it here
i said that trying to reciprocate his angered ignorance. i dont think anyone deserves to die, first and foremost. if you're an engineer with years of school and got the best degrees from the best schools, you're not going to be out of work for long. im sure there are plenty of educated people who are unemploted. 18% of college graduates found work. i dont mean to be a d1ck, but im pretty sure those stats include communications degrees from schools like cal state monterey bay. seriously man, only about 18% of college graduates actually graduate with respectable degrees from good schools (see i can throw out stats too). i mean gimme a break right? i think smart people and hard working people find jobs, and they are able to self sustain themselves. maybe its teenage naivety. but i like to believe hard work equals success. if this is my fantasy land so be it, let reality hit me after grad school. but im studying at a good university and doing well even though its been only 3 weeks LOL.
i think, this is like the founding fathers sort of american individualism... that people should get by and sustain themselves on their own. not looking around for a dish out. yeah i know if there is universal healthcare im paying for my own, and other people are paying for me as well. but me, ill pay for my own, on my own. if there is a way govt can do that, chill. but dont tell me that the govt tax increase (esp on the wealthy) will be equal to what you can find on the private sector, esp after the govt steps in.
i would be happy with our current healthcare if they paid salary wages for doctors and surgeons outside of specialized medicine like cosmetic surgery. If they enacted laws to help protect hospitals and doctors from lawsuits that should never happen. If they would reform the lobbying of pharmacutical companies so they had a less direct impact on a doctors decision. and if they would get rid of websites that give detailed descriptions of every disease and possible medicines for them. those make a doctors job so much harder now, when people are arguing a doctors diagnosis because they "looked it up on google" its a sad state of affairs.
our medical degrees are some of the most respected in the world, i dont think you spending 20 minutes on google makes you a better choice to diagnose your symptoms.
really, theres alot of issues with the current system. subsidizing healthcare through the government is not the answer though.
"Nothing is faster than unpro." wow, sloganizer knows what the ladies say..
btw netro. if everyone was highly educated, who would do the jobs that keep this country running? sewer maintenance, concrete work, house building, etc?
you think someone who spent 10 years in school getting a degree is going to want to get there hands dirty mixing concrete for a sidewalk?
"Nothing is faster than unpro." wow, sloganizer knows what the ladies say..
#31, do you really think that's the problem with the current healthcare system? Doctors and hospitals facing lawsuits and people misdiagnosing their own illnesses? You may be addressing only one issue, but I still don't think that should take precedence over the more important things.
Today's healthcare system is rife with greed. The fact is that we pay money for healthcare and in return, we expect these companies to cover, at the very least, some of the costs of our medical care. It's perfectly fine in theory, but Communism was great in theory, too. The reality is that these companies are run as businesses. They are too focused on trying to make that quick buck and try to find ways of avoiding the costs of providing you that care (i.e. finding remotely related preexisting conditions so that you're denied coverage). In most cases, you're paying them to provide you nothing in return. I'm sure this situation equates to that of any other kind of insurance, but a person's health is not something to exploit simply to turn a profit.
QUOTE:You may be addressing only one issue, but I still don't think that should take precedence over the more important things.
I understand that as I've mentioned. I'm just saying that there are more important issues that need to be handled with Obama's proposed health care reform (and health care reform in general) than what you're talking about.
The entire idea that health care is luxury is the problem with this country.
The fact people who are wealthy enough for health care is some sort of divine reality bothers and disgusts me greatly. It is part of the Puritan world where only the wealthy and rich get what they need because God does not love any- one else is the reality.
A country where the average person is capable of providing love, care, and everything else is the most important.
We live in a country where the most important issue is where we can drop the biggest bomb. I find that pretty depressing as a human being that cares about the world around him.
true, but fixing what i mentioned, will lower insurance costs on doctors and hospitals in turn lowering costs to people. now, fix the personal health care insurance sham, and you have a real winner.
"Nothing is faster than unpro." wow, sloganizer knows what the ladies say..
the police are provided as a benefit to society, to keep people safe, and hopefully avoid harm to themselves and those around them. the poor are not outlawed from protection from the police and the rich are not the only ones taken care of. every person is covered under the protection of the law and police. police have not been made a financial system.
the fire department is provided as a benefit to society. it keeps people safe, rescues people form harm, and makes sure that those around us are safe. no person is not covered by the fire department, no rich person gets special protection because he pays for extra fire department services.
education is provided as a benefit to society. to keep people safe, to provide them with oppurtunities to succeed. the rich are not the only ones who go to school, all people are guaranteed an education until they are 18 years old. it is not a commercial product to be traded to those who have the most already, it is given to everyone.
healthcare is something to make money off of. who cares of the 6 month old does not have health insurance, the kids father shouldn't have gotten laid off from his job. let the kid die, and it'll learn better next time to be born into a rich family. there is no money in saving this 6 month old. it'll be cheaper for everyone if it just dies. on to the next. my mom has cancer, she couldn't keep her job while going through chemotherapy, she lost her health benefits. thankfully my dad gets decent benefits through the BAR and have not blown through all of their money in savings. not everyone is so lucky, some families lose their entire nest egg trying to fight an illness like my mothers. but hey, that's unlucky for them. they didn't work hard enough, or didn't save enough, or got too many cancers and had too many strokes, let them die they are old, and wish them better luck next time right?
NO, are kidding me? all people deserve the rights to "free" healthcare paid for by taxes, so that they have the best chances of staying healthy when they are 2 months, and when they are 88 yrs old. no person should ever be denied care, no person should have to choose which finger to have re-attached, no person should have to choose between sending their kid to college, or having their gallbladder removed. getting sick is not something to make money off of.
you know what happens when people make money off of treating diseases? nobody wants to cure anything. you cure cancer? tons of money lost. you cure aids? tons of money lost. How many people make billions a year by treating diseases?! when people stop making money off of other peoples suffering, then we will finally have progress in providing the necessary care for all people to live happy healthy and productive lives.
do any of you realize how terrible our health care system is? we are a laughing stock, our infant mortality, or length of life. we are BAD, CUBA has better health care than we do. Do you realize this!? CUBA cares more about the health of its citizens than the USA.
so you know what, be selfish, don't care about the lives of those around you. that's what America is all about right? ignoring the horrible things that happen to the people around us. every man for himself, every man is his own king. and we all love kings in america.
QUOTE:the police are provided as a benefit to society, to keep people safe, and hopefully avoid harm to themselves and those around them. the poor are not outlawed from protection from the police and the rich are not the only ones taken care of. every person is covered under the protection of the law and police. police have not been made a financial system.
the fire department is provided as a benefit to society. it keeps people safe, rescues people form harm, and makes sure that those around us are safe. no person is not covered by the fire department, no rich person gets special protection because he pays for extra fire department services.
education is provided as a benefit to society. to keep people safe, to provide them with oppurtunities to succeed. the rich are not the only ones who go to school, all people are guaranteed an education until they are 18 years old. it is not a commercial product to be traded to those who have the most already, it is given to everyone.
I was going to mention this as well. Thank you for saying it first so I don't have to type more. The army also provides the same service as the police but on a larger scale.
The main reason you can't treat Healthcare like a good is because the insurance companies won't let you. In fact, my main issue with the current system, overall, is that insurance companies are allowed to DENY YOU paying for yourself if they feel so inclined. It would be one thing, to me, if you could get it without the worry of being dropped simply because of pre-existing conditions. However, that's not the case, and that's probably my biggest issue with all of it.
And yes, I'm one of those people who cannot get insured unless I have benefits through my job(because apparently having a case of Asthma 20 years ago means you shouldn't be covered incase you have to go to the ER...). Period. Anyone who sees that as fair and rational shouldn't be considered human.
netrolyxen, if your profile is correct you are roughly 18 years old. Your view flat out reflects that, and I'm not saying this because I'm judging you, but rather I'm saying this because you're under the blanket of age. I will leave it bluntly at that, because you've yet to actually reach the point where you might not be covered(when your parents can't cover you anymore, is what I'm talking about).
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#40
QUOTE:NO, are kidding me? all people deserve the rights to "free" healthcare paid for by taxes
The current plan doesn't really propose healthcare paid by taxes. I don't have an issue with paying for healthcare, so taxes or not, supposedly it will function on affordable payment plans. We've yet to see this in practice, of course, but hopefully that's the case. But, for the record, I agree with almost everything you've said and just felt like I should point this out for the people who may think we're paying for this plan through taxes, or that it's a free system(because, let's face it, a lot of people really have no idea what this plan entails, which is a HUGE issue).
Bottom line, everyone who is a legal citizen of this country should be able to be covered by healthcare. Period.
However:
QUOTE:you know what happens when people make money off of treating diseases? nobody wants to cure anything. you cure cancer? tons of money lost. you cure aids? tons of money lost. How many people make billions a year by treating diseases?! when people stop making money off of other peoples suffering, then we will finally have progress in providing the necessary care for all people to live happy healthy and productive lives.
People will never stop making money off of treating sickness. That would mean sickness was, in general, non-existent. That's really not going to happen, and besides, everyone has to die sometime. Your point is more about being comfortable and healthy for a duration, than it is about people trying to cure things like AIDS and Cancer. This is a benefit to everyone, because it prolongs their lives, it goes beyond financial reasons. But, that aside, if we didn't have diseases such as AIDS and Cancer, our populations would be even more ridiculously out of control than they already are. You have to take some bad with the good at every avenue of life. There's a reason we say that nothing's perfect. Also, let's be honest, there are tons of people who make a LOT of money in the medical field because they wanted to help other lives, not because they wanted to make a ton of cash. There are even those who don't get paid a dime for the things they do. Not every person making money off of something is selfish, cynical, and uncaring.
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QUOTE:Also did anyone hear about insurance companies cancelling your insurance when diagnosed with a terminal illness? That is really messed up, and the worst part is that insurance companies can get away with it.
Obama wasn't spinning some "liberal" propaganda here, I want to make this VERY clear(since people love to believe the most absurd crap). This is the absolute truth. Call up most insurance companies and ask them if you can be insured with a pre-existing condition, or under the stipulation that you develop one, outside of a company benefit program. Most of them will refuse you insurance, and if you get sick with something that's long-lasting, they will probably drop you. Happens all the time. Even better? As he pointed out, it can happen just because you get sick.
I didn't catch all of it but what he said I liked and any plan that allows both the private sector of health care to succeed as well as a public one should be welcomed. I liked the analogy he made to colleges, in how community colleges don't take business away from private colleges, but the community college is there for people who can't normally afford a private one. Like health care, just because there is a cheaper alternative doesn't mean it's the best which is why it will force the private insurance companies to offer better service. People will still be able buy into the private health insurance because it will be better quality, and obama was emphasizing that the government wouldn't take over your health care but would help those who need it.
Also did anyone hear about insurance companies cancelling your insurance when diagnosed with a terminal illness? That is really messed up, and the worst part is that insurance companies can get away with it.
Netro I mean no offense to you nor do I wish to start a war of words, I am merely curious as to your perception. How do you think health care currently works? The system, i mean, how do you think it does what it does? Who is it that pays for these medical bills currently, and how much money do you think these medical procedures cost? Why do you think health care exists at all?
Again I am merely curious and do not wish to seem accusatory. Thank you in advance for your answer.
QUOTE:The entire idea that health care is luxury is the problem with this country.
The fact people who are wealthy enough for health care is some sort of divine reality bothers and disgusts me greatly. It is part of the Puritan world whereonly the wealthy and rich get what they need because God does not love any-one else is the reality.
A country where the average person is capable of providing love, care, and everything else is the most important.
We live in a country where the most important issue is where we can drop the biggest bomb. I find that pretty depressing as a human being that cares about the world around him.
Poetry.
Because if you can't afford health care, then it's your fault and you deserve to die! Poor people are stupid, and they are poor because they have no ambition or will. Clearly.
I personally pay around 70 bucks a month for a great healthcare plan, and I would rather not have to pay 200 bucks a month extra in taxes to support YOUR healthcare needs.
Why don't you take 200 bucks off your pay check every month and give it to me alex?
I mean really I had to work for my affordable healthcare, I still do. What makes poor people so much more worthy than me?
I guess I don't know why you think you're going to be charged $200 for someone else...That's not how the plan was outlined, and Obama made that pretty clear last night.
Advent, you are young and, if you are lucky, you won't be sick for many years. Now, lets say you hit 50, and need a $50,ooo knee replacement or a $70,000 pacemaker. You have only paid 70 dollars a month and certainly haven't paid your share. What makes you worthy? You are looking at it from an extremely narrow and short termed window. My parents have paid house insurance for 30 years and haven't seen a dime. Yet, someone who had a house for a year might have drew 200 grand after it caught on fire. Basically, I'm saying you are looking at how insurance works ALL wrong. There is nothing wrong with "paying for someone else" because some day they may do the same for you. That's why it's called INSURANCE. If nothing happens, great, if it does, someone will be there to help me pick up the tab. However, with healthcare something WILL happen, and they might not be there help pick up the tab when the time comes. That's one of the major problems...
Well, Netro, I'm glad you haven't taken an exam yet in general education and think you are gaurenteed a job after graduation because you went to a "good" school.
health care speech
i really dont support all of the plan obama laid out tonight. the section about instituting a leans penalty on companies that provide more expensive coverage plans is ridiculous. why would you punish a company for succeeding?
also, how will a totally nonprofit organization of this magnitude still maintain its books in the black by trimming the cost from existing medicare and medicaid? think about that. 900 billion. for the replies, i understand how nonprofits work. please dont lecture me on that facet.
I'm probably not the most knowledgeable person on the subject, so I'll let someone else take over from here.
This should be good.
This should be good.
healthcare should be like any other good, if all other goods are dictated by the laws of supply and demand.
If you understand NPO's, you would see how the U.s government isn't bound at all by the constraints of a traditional NPO. IE You ask how such a large cost of 900 Billion can be supported. As you should know, that total number means nothing. If it was 500 billion or 1 trillion, they would have the same goal and same way of going about achieving that goal. A traditional NPO would have to cut benefits(Taking things away from an angry, ignorant public), increase revenues(higher taxes on an angry, ignorant public.), or draw from it's reserves to make ends meet for that period(We run everything in the RED, so we have nothing to draw from). So to answer your question, they can't and won't run it in the black. They will pay for it by hidden means, as always.
LOL.
When every one of your type of people experiences this I will then be happy and society will be able to advance.
Huh?
LOL.
After we figure out how to make health care a good, we will treat it just like any other good.
IE. If I can't afford a car, I don't buy a car. If I can't afford health care, then I.....
I guess you solved the entire issue, Netro. All sides will agree with that treatment. Screw what's beneficial for society!
thats my point exactly
you cant buy a car, you dont buy a car.
sure for cars there are payment plans and lease options. im down for those in healthcare too.
you're too poor to buy healthcare bc you have a sh1tty job and didnt go to school, yeah you die. good luck. maybe when the idiots in this country that are too dumb to get a decent job to afford healthcare, this country will go someplace.
WELCOME TO THE YEAR TWO THOUSAND AND NINE MOTHER FUCKER. YOU ARE A GOD DAMN PIECE OF SHIT.
The governments job is to provide the maximum benefit for society. Your system does not do that.
"this country will go someplace."
Yeah, I don't know if you've seen America compared to the rest of the world. I think we have gone "someplace".
"universal health care burdens those who have a lot of income"
Whereas the current system doesn't? You should ask GM about the burdens of health care. In fact, ask any company about the cost of health care for their employees. It's a huge expenditure.
"you're too poor to buy healthcare bc you have a sh1tty job and didnt go to school, yeah you die. good luck."
We are in a recession now with 10% unemployment. Assuming these people had health care before, should they and there families just die? You act like only the uneducated could possibly be unemployed and lose health care. Jesus Christ you are ignorant. I bet those worthless engineers from ford deserve to die in the streets! They should have educated themselves!!!
im bowing out of this one
i expressed my views, no one agrees.
thats cool. differing opinions, im always open to that.
but this is getting too serious
good luck
Yarr, this be a serious discussion, mateys.
In 2009, 18% of college graduates found work. In fact, when there is a logjam of talent as the 10' and 11' classes come thru, those people should die in the streets too. Afterall, only the uneducated don't have healthcare or good paying jobs! Welcome to fantasy land, Netro!
if you're an engineer with years of school and got the best degrees from the best schools, you're not going to be out of work for long.
im sure there are plenty of educated people who are unemploted. 18% of college graduates found work. i dont mean to be a d1ck, but im pretty sure those stats include communications degrees from schools like cal state monterey bay. seriously man, only about 18% of college graduates actually graduate with respectable degrees from good schools (see i can throw out stats too). i mean gimme a break right? i think smart people and hard working people find jobs, and they are able to self sustain themselves. maybe its teenage naivety. but i like to believe hard work equals success. if this is my fantasy land so be it, let reality hit me after grad school. but im studying at a good university and doing well even though its been only 3 weeks LOL.
last post i swear
rip me apart
i think, this is like the founding fathers sort of american individualism... that people should get by and sustain themselves on their own. not looking around for a dish out. yeah i know if there is universal healthcare im paying for my own, and other people are paying for me as well. but me, ill pay for my own, on my own. if there is a way govt can do that, chill. but dont tell me that the govt tax increase (esp on the wealthy) will be equal to what you can find on the private sector, esp after the govt steps in.
last post forizzle
our medical degrees are some of the most respected in the world, i dont think you spending 20 minutes on google makes you a better choice to diagnose your symptoms.
really, theres alot of issues with the current system. subsidizing healthcare through the government is not the answer though.
you think someone who spent 10 years in school getting a degree is going to want to get there hands dirty mixing concrete for a sidewalk?
Today's healthcare system is rife with greed. The fact is that we pay money for healthcare and in return, we expect these companies to cover, at the very least, some of the costs of our medical care. It's perfectly fine in theory, but Communism was great in theory, too. The reality is that these companies are run as businesses. They are too focused on trying to make that quick buck and try to find ways of avoiding the costs of providing you that care (i.e. finding remotely related preexisting conditions so that you're denied coverage). In most cases, you're paying them to provide you nothing in return. I'm sure this situation equates to that of any other kind of insurance, but a person's health is not something to exploit simply to turn a profit.
I understand that as I've mentioned. I'm just saying that there are more important issues that need to be handled with Obama's proposed health care reform (and health care reform in general) than what you're talking about.
The fact people who are wealthy enough for health care is some sort of divine
reality bothers and disgusts me greatly. It is part of the Puritan world where
only the wealthy and rich get what they need because God does not love any-
one else is the reality.
A country where the average person is capable of providing love, care, and
everything else is the most important.
We live in a country where the most important issue is where we can drop
the biggest bomb. I find that pretty depressing as a human being that cares
about the world around him.
Move that gear up!
the fire department is provided as a benefit to society. it keeps people safe, rescues people form harm, and makes sure that those around us are safe. no person is not covered by the fire department, no rich person gets special protection because he pays for extra fire department services.
education is provided as a benefit to society. to keep people safe, to provide them with oppurtunities to succeed. the rich are not the only ones who go to school, all people are guaranteed an education until they are 18 years old. it is not a commercial product to be traded to those who have the most already, it is given to everyone.
healthcare is something to make money off of. who cares of the 6 month old does not have health insurance, the kids father shouldn't have gotten laid off from his job. let the kid die, and it'll learn better next time to be born into a rich family. there is no money in saving this 6 month old. it'll be cheaper for everyone if it just dies. on to the next. my mom has cancer, she couldn't keep her job while going through chemotherapy, she lost her health benefits. thankfully my dad gets decent benefits through the BAR and have not blown through all of their money in savings. not everyone is so lucky, some families lose their entire nest egg trying to fight an illness like my mothers. but hey, that's unlucky for them. they didn't work hard enough, or didn't save enough, or got too many cancers and had too many strokes, let them die they are old, and wish them better luck next time right?
NO, are kidding me? all people deserve the rights to "free" healthcare paid for by taxes, so that they have the best chances of staying healthy when they are 2 months, and when they are 88 yrs old. no person should ever be denied care, no person should have to choose which finger to have re-attached, no person should have to choose between sending their kid to college, or having their gallbladder removed. getting sick is not something to make money off of.
you know what happens when people make money off of treating diseases? nobody wants to cure anything. you cure cancer? tons of money lost. you cure aids? tons of money lost. How many people make billions a year by treating diseases?! when people stop making money off of other peoples suffering, then we will finally have progress in providing the necessary care for all people to live happy healthy and productive lives.
do any of you realize how terrible our health care system is? we are a laughing stock, our infant mortality, or length of life. we are BAD, CUBA has better health care than we do. Do you realize this!? CUBA cares more about the health of its citizens than the USA.
so you know what, be selfish, don't care about the lives of those around you. that's what America is all about right? ignoring the horrible things that happen to the people around us. every man for himself, every man is his own king. and we all love kings in america.
I was going to mention this as well. Thank you for saying it first so I don't have to type more. The army also provides the same service as the police but on a larger scale.
That, and way to summarize Sicko.
And yes, I'm one of those people who cannot get insured unless I have benefits through my job(because apparently having a case of Asthma 20 years ago means you shouldn't be covered incase you have to go to the ER...). Period. Anyone who sees that as fair and rational shouldn't be considered human.
netrolyxen, if your profile is correct you are roughly 18 years old. Your view flat out reflects that, and I'm not saying this because I'm judging you, but rather I'm saying this because you're under the blanket of age. I will leave it bluntly at that, because you've yet to actually reach the point where you might not be covered(when your parents can't cover you anymore, is what I'm talking about).
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#40
The current plan doesn't really propose healthcare paid by taxes. I don't have an issue with paying for healthcare, so taxes or not, supposedly it will function on affordable payment plans. We've yet to see this in practice, of course, but hopefully that's the case. But, for the record, I agree with almost everything you've said and just felt like I should point this out for the people who may think we're paying for this plan through taxes, or that it's a free system(because, let's face it, a lot of people really have no idea what this plan entails, which is a HUGE issue).
Bottom line, everyone who is a legal citizen of this country should be able to be covered by healthcare. Period.
However:
People will never stop making money off of treating sickness. That would mean sickness was, in general, non-existent. That's really not going to happen, and besides, everyone has to die sometime. Your point is more about being comfortable and healthy for a duration, than it is about people trying to cure things like AIDS and Cancer. This is a benefit to everyone, because it prolongs their lives, it goes beyond financial reasons. But, that aside, if we didn't have diseases such as AIDS and Cancer, our populations would be even more ridiculously out of control than they already are. You have to take some bad with the good at every avenue of life. There's a reason we say that nothing's perfect. Also, let's be honest, there are tons of people who make a LOT of money in the medical field because they wanted to help other lives, not because they wanted to make a ton of cash. There are even those who don't get paid a dime for the things they do. Not every person making money off of something is selfish, cynical, and uncaring.
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Obama wasn't spinning some "liberal" propaganda here, I want to make this VERY clear(since people love to believe the most absurd crap). This is the absolute truth. Call up most insurance companies and ask them if you can be insured with a pre-existing condition, or under the stipulation that you develop one, outside of a company benefit program. Most of them will refuse you insurance, and if you get sick with something that's long-lasting, they will probably drop you. Happens all the time. Even better? As he pointed out, it can happen just because you get sick.
Also did anyone hear about insurance companies cancelling your insurance when diagnosed with a terminal illness? That is really messed up, and the worst part is that insurance companies can get away with it.
Again I am merely curious and do not wish to seem accusatory. Thank you in advance for your answer.
Poetry.
Because if you can't afford health care, then it's your fault and you deserve to die! Poor people are stupid, and they are poor because they have no ambition or will. Clearly.
Why don't you take 200 bucks off your pay check every month and give it to me alex?
I mean really I had to work for my affordable healthcare, I still do. What makes poor people so much more worthy than me?
Well, Netro, I'm glad you haven't taken an exam yet in general education and think you are gaurenteed a job after graduation because you went to a "good" school.
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