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All Games: A Closer Look at De_Forge

By: David Burke - Published May 21, 2006 at 3:07 AM EDT - Writer Archive
CEVO released their newest map de_forge this week. IceCream breaks down what can be expected from this new version of cbble.


For those of you that missed the community news, CEVO (along with Brutesmaps) has released a remade version of de_cbble called "de_forge". If you still need to download the map, you can do so here. I asked the mapmaker, Brute, what his goals were in creating this map:

"My goal for de_forge was to design a map that kept the most important elements from de_cbble, as well as adding more options for terrorists to choose from. I wanted to keep the integrity of cbble throughout the map, add my own style, and make the map more appealing visually."

Competitive play on this map starts in less than a week so let’s take a look at what's been changed.


Team Spawns

The Terrorist spawn has been revamped completely. There is no longer a tower on the terrorist side and all of the routes exiting T spawn are changed. Also, all the spawn points are on the ground so you no longer get the split-level T spawns as on cbble. The spawns are also slightly closer to the halls and to T mid. To counter that, the CT spawn has been moved up, which makes it even and speeds up the game play by taking out the excessive distances that needed to be run when leaving the spawns.



If you exit spawn towards the right, you can go through the halls like in the old cbble or head out to the terrorists side of middle. There are some minor changes to the hallway, but once you walk through it you will see that it's basically the same thing. The only big change is a new route to B, but we'll come back to that.




Terrorist's Middle Area



As you can see, the window room for the CT's has been removed but the rest of the area has only received some aesthetic changes. The layout of the middle ramp and A halls are almost identical designs to de_cbble, but without the ladder of window room up top. What this does is dramatically limit the amount of areas that the terrorist side has to worry about checking. On de_cbble, working through middle on terrorist required you to either be extremely noisy and spam every possible spot, or use up almost all of your smokes and flashes just to get through the area. Now this isn't a problem and various strategies can be used. This change also allows the map to be played faster due to limited areas that the terrorists now have to check.
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good map
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IceCream's still alive??!?!
Thank God sain people still exist...
Very good read and overview of the map. As always, IceCream wins.

This comment was edited at 05/21/2006 3:16 AM
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Nice.
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good breakdown. looks complicated but nice
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nice... cbble did need a remake.
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yea dis should go in cal
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i really do like this map, gone over it with my team a bit and scrimmed it for the first 2 times tonight with them and i felt like the map could still be ct sided even with all these adjustments. good flash work is critical in holding b though, so it will be interesting to watch teh cevo-p matches :P
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Nice. I can't wait to watch those CEVO-P matches on this map and hope the map expands to other leagues too
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Good map indeed. Pubbed it for about 20 minutes. Then my PC crashed. eMachines mobo, eh.
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Agreed #6 :o
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It isn't half bad, hopefully more people would scrim on this : /
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did he ever give credit to Alchemist on this? it's a pretty big rip off his ideas
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lol #10. cevo is goin to own cal day by day.

This comment was edited at 05/21/2006 3:55 AM
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its a pretty good map. but IceCream is right, this map has two "primary bombsites" and its difficult to defend both of them at once. the new B entrance should have been elsewhere. and IMO it takes too long for the CTs to reach the platform through the back entrance.
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I still think de_forge doesn't improve de_cbble a lot:

1.the bombsite A still can be totally covered with 2 cts.One awp inside "old orange door" can watch terrorist coming either ramp or another door...the other can use A to B new route on A spawn to watch both way.The new route only serve to connect more fast the 2 bombsites...

2.as de_cbble,de_forge only has 2 "true" ways to each bomsite without pass trough another bomsite:Bombsite A-ramp and door,Bombsite B new botom way and that old way same as cbble.The route coming from A bombsite only has a connection purpouse to reach that ramp door and give another way to reach that awp spot in B...teams that reach A with the bomb will never use it

3.i think a 3rd route to A should be done...i suggest that purple house with white roof and a door in A should be a new route,like that cpl_mill door route in bombsite B

4.anyway,top teams should play the map and give their opinions
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I recommend that, this map should be played first in some lan events, and then in CAL-i or CAL-p
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well written ICM, I enjoyed this map a lot. Much better version of cbble yet a bit confusing at first. A lot more balanced with more halls.
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i like the map's appearance, but it seems too overloaded
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very good map (Y)
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nice map review.. I kinda like the map.. we'll have to wait to see how good is it for competition though..
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From the writeup, they should make all boxes spammable. Also they need to take out the trees, they can block flashes that are in plain view (pointed out by someone in a thread), and i do agree that the new entrance into b should be moved on the platform facing towards the connector.

I find it somewhat ridiculous that CEVO would use this map without letting the community fully test it first, and give its opinion. Im assuming cevo staff tested it, but they should have opened it to the public before making it the official map for use in their league.

This comment was edited at 05/21/2006 5:10 AM
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CModelLoader::Map_IsValid: 'de_forge' is not a valid BSP file
map load failed: de_forge not found or invalid

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looks like the worst map
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so is this for 1.6 or source?!
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#24 1.6
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looks good.. the map is now better playable for terrorists..
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Looks like a much better map than cbble imo
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scrimmed this last night. T's kicked our @sses!! B site felt to clustered there is way to much going on in there. But im just a noob.
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It's amazingly fun. I remember playing Halls leading into back of B and when we took it slow I probably saw 10 grenades in air at once, we had T's smoking it up. CT's flashing through crack behind big boxes, other CT's trying to get a quick nade off, both teams constantly flashing. It seemed on T side that if you get the pick or 2 then you basically won the round since the other CT's couldnt rotate in time. Even when they took the new halls from A to B, it was just too long of a trip. I love the way the map was setup, you can easily run flanks and fakes, which makes it alot more strategical and alot more fun. Choke points can easily be prenaded and result in some delayed rushes. Will be interesting to see where the spots go in the future and how many teams will consider using an awp. Maybe back of B if gutsy enough with 2 m4's pushed up lower halls or one awp playing mid. It's a new map and its a good thing to start fresh and learn something new for once.
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the only thing i don't like is the trees.. they don't get flashed wtf!

a lot more of the advantage is in the hands of the ts
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cbble > forge
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#32 Care to explain why ? Or else your comment is as useless as you :P
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Forge makes the map easier for the T's
but it probally wont catch on to other leagues
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i like this map, makes it a lot less ct sided like in cbble
good breakdown icecream :)

Only thing I don't like is how he made this into a terrorist sided map..big time.They have way to many routes they can go and I feel that will take away the action everyone is saying it will have.
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I liked it but B can be a bit hard to guard.

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sounds fun! :) and we could ready use some more oficial maps others than inferno, train, dust2, nuke and cbble.. (not to mention mill and fire)

hope this works, gimme forge!
i can still own 'em all, dwd

two people to guard B? I don't think so.
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Wait.... didn't Icecream create de_forge?
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#41 one of da cevo admin made it.
IceCream broke down forge ie. b,t spawn,a and yea
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Brute from Brutesmaps made it

yea, make all the boxes spammable, adds in alot more skill.
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remake? de_cbble?
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great map
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Which boxes arent spammable? just curious i havent played it yet.
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#2 Its "sane" not sain
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I have a minor critique although overall I think it's an excellent map:

Basically in design, you should not include something if it has no purpose. T spawn seems to have meaningless additions in the mini room with the ladder/truck. Although this is by no means a huge deal, I would like to see T spawn toned down into a more simplistic form.

And, I do agree with the bombsite B critiques. Seems like a very difficult site to defend now. However, I have yet to scrim or pug on this so these are only my opinions based on the layout - I have not tested this out.

Overall, good work and hats off to Brute and CEVO.
bceres

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