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All Games: Interview with CPL and DirecTV

By: Jason Bass - Published June 30, 2006 at 11:13 AM EDT - Writer Archive
GotFrag and the community recently had the chance to ask some questions of the CPL and DirecTV regarding the recent announcement of DirecTV buying the television rights to the CPL.
Angel and Steven, first of all, thanks for taking the time to do this interview. Secondly, congratulations on another step forward for e-sports. There’s certainly a very high level of curiosity about the partnership and what it means for the presentation of the CPL events on a major television network.

Our audience knows who Angel Munoz is, but you’re a new face for them, Steven. Could you take a few moments to introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about your background?

Steven: It is tempting in this type of interview (with no pictures) to paint myself as a cool gamer, however, my kids told me that I could never pull it off once people met me in person so I guess I am better off setting the right expectations from the beginning. Just remember, Angel was once a corporate suit just like I am so maybe there is still hope! Any way, I was brought to DIRECTV over the past year during our transformation from a Hughes owned Satellite company to a News Corp owned entertainment company. Our focus on entertainment and original television programming is truly changing our business. I have been in the television, sports and entertainment (including gaming) industry for over 15 years. My focus at DIRECTV is to launch several gaming initiatives including the CGS and a Casual games business.

E-sports obviously has a lot of things going for it, with more and more of today’s youth playing games and competing in them. Angel, what do you think are the next steps that e-sports needs to take? Steven, what drew DirecTV’s attention to e-sports?

Angel: Like all sports in their nascent stages the biggest weakness afflicting e-sports is its growing fragmentation. Each event organizer seems to be vying for bragging rights, instead of concentrating their resources in building solid foundations and longevity for the sport. The future of the sport can only be secured via partnerships between the diverse event organizers.

At the risk of sounding like a braggart myself, I think that CPL has really been at the forefront of creating bridging partnerships for the sport this year. For example, our agreement with WSVG in reference to our summer event is the first of its type for the entire industry. Our licensing partnerships throughout the world are another example of our goal to unify the sport at a global level. And now we’ve added an unprecedented agreement with DirecTV, which is launching its own series of events in 2007. We think that instead of recoiling in fear, the CPL should welcome these new initiatives, and help create partnerships that will offer homogenous rules and policies to all event organizers worldwide.

Steven: What drew DIRECTV to esports is an opportunity to make a difference. We believe that with our sports production expertise, television distribution channel, media assets such as IGN and partnerships with Pepsi, Best Buy, Microsoft, the CPL and others that we have a unique opportunity to elevate esports to an entirely new level. The initial group that we have assembled (and more to come) is dedicated both emotionally and financially to build a structure for esports that provides the gaming community with a strong foundation for competition, compensation and aspiration.

We’ve heard that David Hill, former CEO of FOX Sports and a man who is often credited with making NASCAR interesting to watch, is heavily involved in this initiative at DirecTV. A key challenge for e-sports, or any sport for that matter, in the jump to mainstream television is making it accessible to the broader mainstream audience while still retaining its appeal to the hardcore fans. Steven, can you tell us a bit about David Hill’s involvement and can you both comment on what changes we might see, and how the two organizations will be working towards this balance?

Angel: DirecTV has spent countless hours analyzing e-sports and determining how to best present this new sport to television audiences. I'm privileged to have been part of some of these early discussions, but I'll let Steven share his views on this, as I'm not sure how many of those beans he wants to spill at this point. :)

Steven: David Hill is intimately involved in this project. In fact, he has been using games as his muse in sports broadcasting for many years. As a gamer himself, he understands the opportunities and limitations of making this sport scale in terms of a television audience. We will be using technology to bring the viewer into the game, as well as our finely tuned sensitivities to traditional sports broadcasting and applying it to esports. The gamers competing in our events will be treated as star athletes playing in arenas that will enhance not only their play but the viewing experience on site and on television. For example, we will have more cameras filming our first event than they do at an NBA playoff game.

Related to the above, GotFrag user, Alex Drummond would like to know: How will you market this to the average viewing audience? The big problem with televising an e-sports event is that it might seem "odd" to the current e-sports fans. How do you plan to get over this hump? I read that you will do interviews, and footage. What is the strategy for presenting, say Counter Strike, to Joe Schmo? Will you tone down the game (Special skins, non-terrorist models, competition visuals, etc., OR stock?)

Steven: Our first goal is to be true to the core gamer. Secondly, we will then turn our attention to broadening our audience. We will be utilizing media on multiple platforms to ensure the core gamer gets the information to be engaged. We will obviously personalize our footage with interviews and lifestyle pieces. However, the key will be making sure that Joe Schmo understands the game. For this, we will be borrowing from our expertise in broadcasting other sports programs and using virtual game cameras. Believe it or not, not everyone understood NASCAR until we cracked the code on that broadcast. We are committed to do the same for esports. Regarding toning down the game, we will not change the way the game is played in anyway. However, we will be sensitive to the graphic images on the screen. It is not in our interest to change the way that gamers exist today, we like that, our goal is to find the best way to get this message out to a larger audience.
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good iview.
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i'll be looking foward to watching this program later this year
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i'm pumped, this is a huge step. a whole new world opens up if this is done right and takes off. a situation like nascar is the best case scenario, women's basketball being the worst.
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I will as well be watching if at all possible. I definitely support this move and will be TIVO'ing the coverage if not watching it live assuming the prices aren't too expensive. :)
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:)
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Good interview:)
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wow they know what they're doing, should be good :D :D
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Sounds like Steven knows what he is doing. Sounds good. Sad to hear that this will be truly only to DirecTV people, but I guess every prize has a price.

And this just sounds awesome...
"Regarding television production, we will be using experts that have produced such events as the Superbowl, Olympics, Major League Baseball and the NBA Finals. We have spared no expense to deliver the best playing and viewing experience. As a result, we have brought in the best in every category. We will send out a release with more details about this in a few weeks."

No offense to any broadcasting people around esports, but this just sounds nice. Having the outsiders produce will probably make it easier for joe schmoe to watch :)
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I'm pretty bummed out that this is only for DirecTV users. I do not own DirecTV, and my parents will never have an intention of buying it. I'd really like to know what percentage of the 'core gamers' actually own DirecTV. If the numbers are low, then I don't see this as being profitable.
#x.2 We're the SK of the United States.
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#9 Well at least you can watch the highlights show on FOX Sports Net Best Damn Sports Show.
Angel Munoz
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HIGHLIGHTS WOOT
Eat. Sleep. And wii.gtag- Sw1ftreflexz
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please tell me the CGS will have 1.6 and a 1v1 game (quake 4, ut2k7), not BF2 for their 2006 and 2007 season =\

This comment was edited at 06/30/2006 1:17 PM
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ok someone with directv record and rip for the mainstream on the internet ;p
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made it sound like its gonna be console gaming and not like counterstrike and quake 4, the 2 games that matter most?
#panacea
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YAY MY QUESTION WAS PUT ON IT!! @_@

And #4 channel 101 is like the on demand channel which is always free stuff. (If I remember right)
#nTENSE

Too bad its not for dish network :[
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woohoo my question was asked , thanks :)
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They are going to broadcast 1.6? How the hell are you going to get Joe Schmo to watch 1.6? No one is going to tune into a game that ugly. The only way they are going to be able to appeal to the mainstream is if they go with source. From an outsiders perspective, they are going to wonder why the hell they are broadcasting this when the games they play look 120% better. The subtle gameplay differences between Source and 1.6 won't be recognized, but the gigantic graphical difference will be.
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this is going to be awesome for esports.
"your f****** cut"- Hyper! Sphere
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I DONT HAVE DIRECTtV!!!
"Wake up and Live"

Wait, so it's going to be stashed in the on demand content of a high channel, then aired alongside hot dog eating as "the lighter side of pseudo-competitions" on a second rate show for other things (that are REAL sports) with Tom Arnold? Riiight...

"Toby Hunter, Minneapolis Star. No, really, is this a joke?"

Just remember kids, if you say the word sport enough, it will become true! That's the only possible reason for making it every third word of quotes/sound bytes...

This comment was edited at 06/30/2006 3:03 PM
Go Sox!
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As much as I hate to say it #18 has a very strong point. I am a 1.6 player and would love to see 1.6 coverage much more than source, yet average people aren't going to go for a 6 year old game's graphics :(
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cool, i'll watch
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i wish to see the cpl on tv
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there no direct in cananda and some people dunt even have direct tv in amercia .
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i'm gonna go get DirectTV now..
and #18 they said they're trying to stick to what the core gamer and what most of the community want
they won't switch to source because it looks better and that's your opinion, put it at a high resolution on an HDTV it will look good, 1.6 doesn't look bad to begin with.

..but what will become of our beloved TsN? I really think they should be apart of it, I understand they're going to be using professionals but that's pros of other sports. I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say I don't want it sounding like this;
"And doh-tuhm shoots tr-one-p down with his pistol and defuses the b0mb!"

Just hope it will work out the right way

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agreed #26
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Awesome.. Can't wait to see how well they implement it.. Need to make sure my team gets to practicing to make sure we are part of this revolution! Great Interview jason.. keep up the good work.
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#18 1.6 does not look bad. CPL and DirecTV are trying to bring E-Sport to a mush larger audience then just the Pro gamers. It would be logical for them to use 1.6 over source since it already considered a much better game then source. Plus which pro gaming scene is bigger? Source or 1.6?

This comment was edited at 06/30/2006 5:09 PM
#nTENSE
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#29 The pro gaming scene doesn't matter. Don't you get that? We, gotfrag users, DONT MATTER. I think CPL and DirecTV are looking a little furthur then the users here. They want those at home watching tv :) And to them, the diffrence of 1.6 and Source is little. As long as there is drama, and is fun to watch, they will watch either. Now is the question which will make a better presentation? Source has the graphic upper hand of course.
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BSKYB in the UK. Sweet.

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I've got to find someone I know with direct tv.
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this is going to be interesting.
#GOBLIN
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sick sick sick sick
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good read, that is sick
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I would never watch that, sounds like people who don't know anything about the games themselves will be in charge. Secondly why the hell would I watch that on TV when i could control HLTV myself, get scores that are updated extremely fast on gotfrag, listen to people who actually know about the game(TSN). This sounds to me like it won't even be live coverage. Honestly unless they play whole matches viewed through HLTV controlled by someone (which sounds pointless if you are actually into the game and would watch it on your computer via hltv) which to me doesn't seem like they will do because he said something like "4 Hrs. of programming". Honestly I think other people are right when they say we are hyping TV coverage up way to much. Only good thing I can think about this is that I could hypothetically watch like a big match w/ my other friends who play the game in the living room together.

This comment was edited at 06/30/2006 8:07 PM
#Premier! Texas LAN team competing in CAL-Ripken
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It's people like you #36 that hold us back! LET US BE FREE!!!!

Seriously, HLTV is so 2002. We need to get out of this website/hltv period. We need bigger, radio and tv media.
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#37 I wouldn't mind it if I knew people that had some significance to the community were running things and knew what we would want.
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If most of the prize money was being dedicated to source, obviously source would have a bigger professional community. The reason it doesn't is because major teams would rather continue to do what they do and make money rather than moving to another game and another community. I watch 1.6 matches, I play them both, but if you don't see why people would be more willing to spectate Source rather than 1.6, you are in denial. Source graphics completely tear up 1.6's. Eventually, either 1.6 is going to have to die, or e-sports is going to have to. Sponsors don't like 1.6 because it doesn't sell hardware, spectators don't like 1.6 because looks like crap. Now that it's attempting to get a more broad fanbase, it's completely ridiculous to believe 1.6 is still going to be played. After they get more spectators from outside of the current esports spectators, they'll drop 1.6 like a bad habit. They've tried to before.

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a h =]
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Err, #18, I doubt the "average person" will notice the graphics.

How often do you notice how poor 1.6's graphics are? You don't, it's only side-by-side comparisons that trigger that thought. It's the same thing as the movie concept.

I can watch an 11 year old movie like Se7en, and if it's good movie you'll still enjoy it despite the difference in quality. People DON'T NOTICE this kind of stuff unless you point it out to them. They're more interested in the content than the presentation, that's why old movies still sell.

#39 oh be quiet, that arguement has been debunked a million times. Sponsorship isn't about getting people to buy your product based on what's on the screen, it's for brand recognition. That's why American Football games are sponsored by Ford, Soda drinks and the likes instead of just cleats and muscle enhancers.

This comment was edited at 06/30/2006 9:43 PM
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#38 Again with the what we want. We aren't the main priority. The public is. Truly, CPL and DirecTV could turn their backs on us and just care about the public. They can do that, and still make money and still be popular. They don't need us, as much as we need them. So before we command them, lets thank them, and remember who follows who.

#41 The same could be said between my 27'' Flat Sony CRT, and a 61'' DLP. I mean my sony looks good, but I know deep down there is better. Why should I stick with my decent quality, when I should have better? Why should the public be limited to bad quality, when they could have much better graphics? I don't see what the gameplay matters to the public, at least in the start.

Also I wouldn't be so quick to say who is sponsored by who. You understand that the majority of the advertisements you see on TV, is just that...TV. The NFL doesn't have oodles of money backing, I think they have maybe 10 or so big ones. Reebok I know is one of them, you will never find a Nike jersey (ala NCAA). Also that Underarmor stuff. Gatorade of course. And yes, sport based sponsors are still big even in the NFL. I mean the damn click-clack commercials with the NFL draft was just annoying.


People need to wake up and realize that they are trying to grip onto something that is dropping. HLTV, radio shoutcast, all that is dying. If you don't believe me, look at the numbers from 2002. 02' had 30K HLTV watchers for 3D/GOL. I think that is still the record.
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#42 now you're comparing better quality and technology with something that is inferior. 1.6 is only inferior in technology, not quality (in the content sense). And with the sponsorship, it goes back to brand recognition. OF COURSE products directly related to the content would be best for the sponsor, that's common business. But you know what? That doesn't mean anything. Esports can easily secure product-related sponsors right now with 1.6, no problem. The issue is bringing in unrelated sponsors like Tylenol, Pepsi etc... Which Source has little (if any) advantage of doing.

As for the HLTV remark, you're seriously lost. There are less people watching HLTV now adays because there are A LOT MORE OPTIONS TO FOLLOW THE GAME THAN THERE WERE IN 2002!

There are radio casts, video casts, real online up to date coverage, scorebots, aftermatch demos. There are a lot more options today, and the ones that have existed in the past have become much more accessible, of course there will be less in one specific area because of this. I for one never watch HLTV anymore since I've now grown accustomed to video casts, scorebots and the likes. It's just a way of following that I prefer.

my2cents>_>

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nice, never thought my good old directv would come up with that
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i hate w00bi, that is all
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#43 They had scorebots back then. I know TSN did summer 03, which still had a bigger HLTV value then the last CPL, I think.

Believe me, I am all for videocasts. I believe videocasts is the next step before TV, but there are those who just won't leave their precious HLTV. If we could drop HLTV and do good quality videocasts, sign me up.

#45 There is a club I'm sure. Ask around.
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w00bi! You don't listen! >_<

"There are radio casts, video casts, real online up to date coverage, scorebots, aftermatch demos. There are a lot more options today, [b]and the ones that have existed in the past have become much more accessible[/b]..."
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#30 Oh how wrong you are. Like any new trend, those who try to imitate without appealing to the hardcore crowd will inevitably fail. We at gotfrag are the hardcore crowd, and you can be sure that those who are orchestrating the branding of esports to the masses are well aware of the importance of keeping the hardcore on board, just as Steven himself said quite clearly in the interview (did you miss that part?). For a guy who has 3000+ posts you sure seem pretty clueless.

As for the interview, well done. Steven should sign up here at Gotfrag and participate in the forums :)
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1.6 graphics means nothig... its how entertaining it is.. and 30 year olds that see the game will think wowa nice graphics.. since the last game they played was mario when it came out

This comment was edited at 07/01/2006 2:59 AM
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I beleive #48 and #49 are right. We have basically fueld this entire thing from the beginning how could they possibly deny us when it starts taking off as it is? And they will get to view the better graphics from the other games like Q4 and UT2K7 (and the other games) when it becomes a CPL championship game, but at the same time 1.6 will most likely have the highest coverage and hype seeing how its the main game of the entire community/championships, which by having that will balance out the whole "graphical eye candy" issue. And even then Source will be in there to...its not like they are gonna televise one and not the other...

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