Re-write history, the way we see it...
GotFrag Launches eSports Wiki (wiki.gotfrag.com)
When the idea came up, we thought this was the perfect opportunity to let the community write our own history. To chronicle, write and be a part of what we think eSports is and everything therein. Although still in beta form, it’s live and ready for everyone and anyone to contribute to, and we encourage you all to help provide the world insight on all the various topics inside eSports such as the games, teams, leagues, and websites that make it what we love.
We hope it will grow into a definitive resource on the world of eSports for newcomers and veteran fans alike, and once again the best part—it’s all up to you. We're going to set some basic rules around the wiki:
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Cite your sources: We do ask that whenever contributing anything to the wiki, you please cite sources when appropriate (we know, flashbacks of college term papers).
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Respect the authors: Obviously anything from GotFrag.com is fair game, but as with all wiki's sometimes you need to get permission if you want to include it. Many people have volunteered their time and their passion in contributing to the growth of our world, the least they deserve is the credit for producing the material.
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Try not to flame: Yes, I know that it can be hard to put down the flamethrower, but hey, let's try to make this something we all want to be a part of!
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Enjoy it: We (GotFrag) put this up so we (the community) can start chronicling, writing, and explaining (to ourselves and the rest of the world) what eSports is all about, and who participates in it.
On a separate but somewhat related topic, this wiki also means a couple things on our moderation front:
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The usual moderation rules at GotFrag do not apply to the wiki. It's up to us all to moderate it, by contributing to it and by passionately believing in it. As the BETA progresses, we may exercise some limited moderation, but we would really prefer that the community own this thing.
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The usual moderation rules across GotFrag in general are being relaxed. This applies to all parts of the site. I am loathe to say this as I'm sure there will be some people out there that abuse this, but the reality is that we've grown beyond the point where we can effectively moderate our own site. In the long run, we'll be introducing some community moderation tools but for now, I'm... opening the flood gates.
So all I can say now is stop reading this announcement and go post in the wiki, because now you can all be a part of letting the world know what eSports is.
Some eSports Wiki Key Points:
Enjoy the GotFrag eSports Wiki! (http://wiki.gotfrag.com)
Lee
User Comments
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Eventually their inclusion is of course merited, but the fact you've placed them alongside or in some cases in front of others is just dubious. Where is WSVG, WEG, KODE5? I know this might come across as frivolous or as whine, but I think effort would be better placed on other more important areas to start with.
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just go to wikipedia
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I would consider them up there. They probably would of got past pool play at WCG if they didn't have NoA AND Emulate in their pool (those two teams went into the final, which shows how tough their pool was). They have also just made a new CSS team which is looking very hot.
you didn't copy that did you?
i can't help but feel like gotfrag is really just doing this to get more page views which means a higher rate for advertisement. i'm sure you have some sincerity but why not expose the orginal wiki page for counter-strike? or esports?
you sure about having our "history" written by users of this website? that's like asking for advise or lessons from "some randy" in an ESEA pug, right?
If you're not happy that certain leagues aren't listed in there... the beauty is that you can add them in! If you like this idea, use it. The whole concept is that a wiki is not a top-down source of information; it is built and maintained on the grassroots by anybody.
A wiki is a great place to find data but I got the feeling it will be filled with too much crap to make it worth reading.
That's without even debating the validity of a closed, self serving league which only operates in one continent. Quite ironic that it's only the North Americans who debate the importance of a game which outside of their region has no significance at all. Three games in six years speaks volumes about how stable it is as well.
How do you even make comparisons to games like Counter Strike or Quake in regards to their relative contribution to eSports and keep a straight face?
'Halo is the StarCraft of NA, something CS/Quake never could be.'
Simple minds, simple games. Numbers have no significance in the competitiveness or quality of a game/sport. Just look at motor sports or boxing, relatively small but massively profitable. This is why duel games will always excel despite appearing in decline. Counter Strike succeeds purely because it's a very balanced game with some skill in it and has masses of people playing it (please feel free to quote how many Halo players there are in comparison to counter strike).
Everyone knows the North Americans create their own niches because they can't compete in the real games/sports, if you're happy enough playing Halo and GOW then feel free, but don't try and create a community project like this and claim you're impartial. When eSports makes it big no one will want to watch the special Olympics when they can watch the real thing :]
Flames on the other hand... well, I expected those. But I'd offer the heartfelt suggestion that you take some of those commenting energies and go to: http://wiki.gotfrag.com and try writing an article or two. Or not. Your choice, but you're welcome there.
but i can only imagine the csp and source flames that are to come ^^
true #36 guess they'll have to get some sort of staff to prevent this!
To be fair, with so much entertainment competition in NA (NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, College, NASCAR, etc.), I don't think that type of atmosphere can ever be *really* achieved - in that sense you're right, NA is a pretty self-obsessed place. But I would argue the closest thing that's ever got to the level of an eSports product, with all those things I listed above, is MLG. Is it right, or fair? Not really - I totally agree, Halo is a crap game compared to CS, but all you have to do is look at the record-setting-sales of Halo 3 to understand how much of an advantage MLG has over any other major eSports product. It's a lot more likely that eSports will "break out" with a game that the general populace has at least *heard* of - you ask people on the street if they've heard of Halo vs CS, and what wins?
I'll admit, it's a little biased since the Halo scene only really exists in NA, but what else is there out there with a similar popularity/following/skill level/money?
*EDIT* And for the record, I'm a PC gamer - I don't even own a WII, let alone an Xbox.
P.S. It's nice to have an actual conversation about this and not just have a flame-war.
P.P.S. The three-versions thing isn't really a fair argument, because that's controlled by a major company (Microsoft) that's just looking to cash out.
#42 'The three-versions thing isn't really a fair argument, because that's controlled by a major company (Microsoft) that's just looking to cash out.'
Exactly. That would be one definition of a proper stable eSports title. Commercial interests damage any chance of Halo being taken seriously or used in a eSports capacity. No title is invulnerable but the ones that have been mentioned have all got one thing in common. No viable successor.
The reason why the MLG has any success or power, is because they have all the rights and own their players. They choose to diversify from traditional eSports and not compete with other organisations so they could've power. There was no scrutiny to question their motives.
As I said eSports doesn't need mainstream support nor does it need to simple and 'noob friendly', because we understand the technicalities and skill in gaming. We don't need to make gaming simple and frivolous to attract peoples attention. Most people think boxing is barbaric, public perception has next to no real commercial or political influence for gaming.
Gaming will never be 'big' in the sense of Football (English Variety) or other worldwide sports simple because of the age 'restrictions' involved and the instability attributed because eSports is being dictated by the publishers and game developers.
That's changing, as of today. Read the whole post above.
#45, You're right. Features don't really have a place in a wikipedia. But articles that chronicle the history that you seem to be expounding on at length do. It's up to you, I just see someone that is passionate about the scene and the space, with an opportunity to write, own and moderate a resource on a website that you clearly frequent often and won't do it because... why? If that isn't one of the clearest and best examples of what the Internets(tm) offers us all, I'll eBay my 4digit steamID (NO NOT REALLY).
What happens on any gaming website when new players try to learn? They get flamed. What is so wrong about people having easy access to the fact that Rambo use to play for 3d? Or that CS was out before steam?
Sorry you can not limit yourself to people who just get it today.
#48 I never implied that you should exclude anyone, but deliberately lowering the bar again and again in the pursuit of broadening an audience which has little or no interest in competitive gaming seems like folly to me.
I agree with you that the attitude of the community needs some attention, but if there were guides and resource available then it would it cut down some of the nonsense. This is the responsibility of both the developer and the community. That's why something like WoW is quite good, because there are umpteen guides and resources dedicated to helping people.
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