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With seven medals, including three gold ones, South Korea has won the overall medal count of the 2008 edition of the World Cyber Games. After winning the medal count in 2006, South Korea was the big disappointment last year in Seattle, where it placed just third, behind the United States of America and Brazil. South Korea has now returned to the big results, collecting nothing less than 7 medals, three of them made of gold. The Asian country recorded wins in Starcraft, Carom 3D and Red Stone. Behind South Korea comes the Netherlands, who finished in first place in Warcraft III and Project Gotham Racing 4. Last year's winner, the United States, managed to get just one gold medal this year, which came in the Age of Empires lll: The Asian Dynasties tournament.
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Italy
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Austria
Brazil
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User Comments
LOL.
The US actually won the medal count last year? Wow.
Before I saw your post, I planned to post a comment asking when does South Korea NOT win the WCG medal count, because I thought they pretty much always did, due to the variety of RTS games that are usually featured every year.
Anyway, even having a medal count for WCG is a bit stupid. There simply isn't enough competitions being played to warrant making the medal count very significant.
WCG featuring those games is pretty much the inverse equivalent of WCG featuring Madden.
I'll preface my response by saying I took gold at US nationals in both those games (Carom and Red Stone).
what you said is completely true with Red Stone, 95% of the user base is either japanese or korean, with less then 1% being US. It is a sham of a game that had PVP release the day before the US qualifier in the US, and has an insanely limited amount of people playing the english version. Carom3d is more competitive, and we had a good shot at a medal there had I played that rather then Red Stone. However the rules were changed to skew the event toward korea as well, not going to get into that... let's just say the little chance our 2nd person had was erased with the last minute rule changes.
I too was on the Red Stone team, and I finished 4th at the US Finals in Carom 3D. I only play the games because my main games weren't on the list this year, and the USA needs some good competition in them to at least try to take Korea out.
As my teammate stated above, the Red Stone population in America is about 1% of the overall game (if not less). Then you have the fact that there are 3 different versions of the game, English, Korean, and Japanese. The two other versions are unplayable due to lack of registration, servers, and language barriers. It's unfair when the Asian teams can practice against better quality teams than we can, and so even though our team is the #1 US team by far, we can't even touch Korea or Japan.
Carom is a little better (would have been better if rules were clarified better), but the game has been 8-ball (normal pool) forever, but was just switched to 4-ball as well right before the World Koreans in their national finals, and so it was added, despite the 10 players being only from North and South America and Europe, minus Korea.
Take away those, and you have a much better representation of gaming. Even with the 4 RTS's, other players have stepped up in those games to make the playing field a little more level. Starcraft will always be dominated by Korea, but is a great competitive game. But we saw different people win in Warcraft, AOE3, and C&C3.
Every game other than Red Stone and Carom are well known games around the world, and if one country dominates them, then that is no one but the rest of the world's fault. But when games like Carom (which is coming around) and Red Stone especially, are around, it's too one-sided.
I've lived in Korea for couple years and nerver seen anyone play Project Gothan RAcing type of games nor AOE and even counter strike for that matter in LAN. (now, im seeing some ppl play cs:online.. good signs!!! )
I know CS is an extreme example to be mentioned but only reason I'm mentioning it is because someone mentioned that it is unfair due to them not having enough people playing the game or quality opponents to play against...
The thing is...look at Korea, you people might think that many Koreans play CS but it is not true.. they are the minority there... No decent teams to practice with etc... according to them they spend majority of the time coming up with new strategy and etc..
I do understand people thinking that the tournament is skewed towards the Koreans/Asians but it's not true at all.. it is balanced... Just because you Americans/Euros know Project Gotham/AOE/CC doesnt mean that Asians are exposed to it like you guys...
Just be thankful that such a great event is put together....
oh, forgot to mention HALO also.. what is that game??? We asians dont like!!!
USA won the medal count in 2005, as well as 2007.
And in 2007, no South Korean placed in Carom3D. A Brazilian won it.
There was no korean that played in 07.
Do you actually pay attention to this stuff? Korea had one of the best CS Teams this year, and finished 3rd behind Sweden, and Poland.
And also, if you would just look, Korea finished 2nd in AOE3, barely losing to the USA.
Korea might not big in games like PGR and Halo, but the point of those games is that they have major competition in it around the world in numerous countries, Korea just might not be one of them. The problem with games like Red Stone is, there is NO competition in any country, and no countries even sent teams except for the USA and Japan in which Korea dominated because they are the only ones who play it as a popular game.
Korea has Starcraft, and I'm not disputing that. But Red Stone only had 4 teams, and Carom only had 10 players, and both had a Korean advantage before the event even started.
Basically the moral #14, is: 3 countries o the 78 knew what Red Stone was. 10 countries knew Carom, and only 1 knew 4-ball. You go find any other game on the list (minus Asphalt which Singapore won), and I guarantee you that over 40 countries have heard of it, and have people that play it, whether their country can afford to send them or not.
To #16, last year was only 8-ball, and if you'd read my post, I stated that the rules were changed this year to something that only the Koreans did, and that's add 4-ball in, and is why Korea won because he dominated the 4-ball games.
dont come here saying that korea/japan wins in those not so familiar games to US/EURO.
Koreans/Japanese are known to practice and work their asses off to get better in whatever game is put in front of them.. So, you might need to work ur butt off lieke thme..instead of coming here and trying to argue about how it is unfair for u us/euro ppl
As for Korean CS team. I clearly stated that there are not enough ppl playing in Korea and teams for e-stro to practice with... It comes down to if you're talented enough in whatever field of gmae u're playing and dedicated enough to compete with rest of the world regardless of how popular it is in your given country..
and u pulling that s8T out or ur arse? dont gimme numbers w/o backing them up plz
"Before I saw your post, I planned to post a comment asking when does South Korea NOT win the WCG medal count,"
2007,2005,2004 and 2003;)
http://www.wcg.com/6th/history/ranking/ra..
but anyway ive been there of course and we had a lot of fans there and a fantastic atmosphere. but our german players played shit. im very dissapointed.
And to #21:
eSTRO is one the best CS teams in the world, and proved that this weekend with wins over the USA, Norway, Denmark, and more top teams.
And it's not like other countries don't work their asses off to get ready. I worked my ass off to get ready for Red Stone, and when me and my teammate are the #1 team on the English server by far, we have nothing to go off of but that. Then when a game like that is put in WCG, and Korea has tens of thousands of people playing it at a time, and we have about 10 (yes ten) on at a time, it puts us at a disadvantage.
Take a game like PGR (which by the way, Korea had a player in, and finished third in his group), or Halo 3 (which by the way, Korea had a team in), or AOE3 (which by the way, Korea had a player in who is in the WCG hall of fame for winning 2 AOE world championships in the past, and finished second this time), and add those in, and tell me that those games are unfair to Korea, compared to Red Stone, being unfair to the rest of the world.
You can't win this argument. Korea has a team in everything, and is successful in most of them.
And you want numbers? Red Stone had 4 teams, and that's only because Japan sent two for the hell of it, and the USA had no reason to be there when it's a Korean game. Carom had 10 players, and only that many because of Germany sending 3 in every game for no reason other than being the home team. That's 14 over all players between two games.
Now, lets point out those "other games" that Korea doesn't know about:
PGR4 - 28 players (double the total of those 2 games combined in one game, oh yeah, Korea had a player in it).
Halo 3 - 17 teams (more than those games combined, Korea had a team).
AOE3 - 16 players (more than those two games combined, and oh yeah, Korea has a Hall of Fame player in it who has won it twice, and finished second this event).
CS - 49 teams (more than 3 times the number of those two games combined, oh yeah, and Korea finished 3rd).
Why don't YOU do your research before calling me out. I guarantee you that despite only 17 teams in Halo 3, almost EVERY single country of the 78 represented has heard of or played Halo in some fashion or form. Just because you don't have a team in WCG, doesn't mean you haven't played it, you're just not competitive enough to afford to fly a team across the world.
There was not one person here this week from another country that I talked to who knew what Red Stone was, yet I talked to people from countries who didn't have Halo teams, but they were talking about our Halo team, and how they heard about them from MLG events.
You can complain about me needing to go practice my ass off, when I haven't posted here until now, after the fact, and after I, along with the rest of the world sees the disadvantage that we were all at going into the tournament.
You can't win this argument. Bring it on.
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