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Quake: Destrukt on Quake IV

By: Brian Flander - Published November 10, 2005 at 8:53 PM EST - Writer Archive
Brian "destrukt" Flander has taken the time to share his thoughts about Quake IV (and Quake in general) with GotFrag. Look inside for this great article.


Quake has always been the standard for FPS games. Obviously, Quake’s original predecessor DOOM truly opened the flood gates for FPS gaming. Quake however took advantage of the oh-so-amazing OpenGL. It created an amazing environment never seen before. It became a phenomenon. To this day Quake has always been the “champ” of 1v1 and TDM games. Games such as Half-Life spawned from the madness created originally by the guys over at id software.

This time they’re attempting to do it once more with their new friends over at Raven. Could they possibly achieve the greatness they did in the first three of the Quake series? Many people will argue to this day that QuakeWorld is still the best FPS game ever, and then there are others that will die with a copy of Quake3 in their coffin. These are the people that probably didn’t have the best impressions of Q4 out of the box. I will try to give my impression as a “hardcore” gamer that has played almost every mainstream FPS that has been used in competition.

I on the other hand had an open mind. I knew when I picked up my pre-ordered copy of Quake4 from GameStop that this game would not be Quake3. I knew it would have many of the same elements from different games combined, but it would not be the same as any game I had played before. Well… I was partially correct.

I was prepared for the 60 frames-per-second (FPS) cap because I had played Doom3. For those of you who are unaware, Q4 is built off the Doom3 engine. Many people think FPS means EVERYTHING, and if they don’t have 100-120 fps, they come to the conclusion that the game is bad. Many people don’t realize that back in the day we had to cap our FPS at 30 if we used dial-up because otherwise our pings would skyrocket. Believe me when I say that once people begin to upgrade their computers and the frames stop dipping, people will not even notice that they are getting 60 fps. When the game is smooth and your monitor has the proper refresh rate set… you won’t notice it’s capped at 60.

The only rants that I have on the game are the lack of maps and the sound issues. Quake games have always been known for great maps for competitions. However, the community in Quake has always helped. Many remember Abuse making their own versions of maps for competitive play. Id later followed suite and created “pro” versions of maps such as pro-q3tourney4 and pro-q3dm6. Will we see the same situation in Quake4? We are already seeing mod and map makers respond to the need.

Many people complain about the sound issues. It’s very hard to hear where your opponent is coming from. Personally, I found it rather easy to adjust once I was used to the maps, however this problem should not exist. OpenAL helps with the sound, but it also kills FPS even on the best machines.

Another hot topic is the rocket speed. If you haven’t noticed the players don’t move that fast. The rocket speed in my opinion is fine. I’ve had no problems hitting mid air rockets or having rocket fights. The rockets definitely are not as slow as they were in Quake 2 or Doom 3, and personally I do not feel the rocket speed needs to be changed.
The Nailgun is also an issue, many people rant about how overpowered this gun is. Moreover, while it may be overpowered there are situations when you should use this gun and when you shouldn’t. If you have someone trapped, or if you know they are going to peak in a certain spot it’s a great spam weapon. So are the goo gun and the flak gun in UT. People will learn how to adjust. However, I do feel they need to tone down the gun, because the splash damage does make the gun rather ridiculous.

Movement in Q4 is very similar to Q3. The only downside is the inability to keep speed up stairs. While some enjoy the gained height when jumping on a ramp, I find it rather annoying. One crazy feature is the slide jump, while I have not yet perfected it totally myself I have seen many videos of crazy YA jumps on the Edge remake and also a few jumps on other maps using jump pads. This could play out to be very interesting to see which trick jumps people can master and perform seamlessly during combat.

One feature I think is very cool are the projectiles from certain guns being able to go through teleports. Many people know how lame it was when people camped teleports in PK, but the reason that people did it was because it was a defensive measure that worked. In Q4 it’s not so easy to do so. Now you can get caught camping a teleport, and even if you do use it you can catch a rocket to your face. In addition, if people want to spam mega on a map like pro doctors, it enables this. It adds a new twist of strategy that I personally enjoy.

We are now officially in a new era of deathmatch. Many people do not realize the significance of Quake 4 and what it brings to pro gaming. One versus one deathmatch is the foundation of professional eSports and to see it make a “return” with Quake 4 is very promising. The CPL World Series in 2006 will mark this new era. Not only will it bring international attention to the very thing we are all so passionate about, but it will unite communities that have been apart for too long. GL HF.

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Good read.

This comment was edited at 11/11/2005 3:40 PM
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I would like to see Destrukt get into this game competively, I do own his mousepad afterall! I think Quake4 regardless of what people like Flander say, is going to get mixed reviews from the overall gaming community. Source vs. 1.6 anyone??!!
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Nice take on it all Brian, thank you for it. You still owe me a pad from MFAVP interview looonnnng ago mate! ;)
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nice writeup
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You could have explained what some of the topics were a little better for those who don't know what some of the issues of contetion are. For example, what exactly do you mean by 'gained height when jumping on a ramp'? And what exactly is the slide jump? I realize this article is maybe intended for those who play the game seriously but the rest of us might like to learn about it too.
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Very nice read! Those are my thoughts exactly. The only thing I dont like about q4 right now is the HORRIBLE server menu (I dont want to download something else to find server either...), seriously its the worst thing ive ever used, it gets all laggy and there is no way to filter servers or even stop it from refreshing, even after you have already joined a game it continues to referesh. Other than that q4 is a great game. Oh and theres that weird thing when you are joining the server and it like goes out of the game and then goes back in then otu again and back in, thats weird. Anyways, gj DKT.

And #5, those things arent that hard to know, try moving quickly and jumping on a ramp, you will bounce really high up into t he air (just do it down the side on fragyard, you almost hit the ceiling), slide jumping is sliding with crouch to move and turn while moving.
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i sure hope it unites communities and marks a new era. nothing beats being apart of something huge like that :o
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yeah, I could see q4 being huge, especially with the like $400,000 price this cpl or whatever it was.
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quake4 looks like a great game, i wish it would run on my computer just so i could watch demos. its also very cool to see all the mods which are coming out right away, i wish people cared that much about cs and came out with new competitive maps and pro versions.
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zzz im sleeping
hello!
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good article, and it gives q4 a chance which is something i like. good article by dkt
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good read, tho i wish it was quake 3 or quakeworld, hes right its evolution, (tho the sound is gay as sht and there is no excuse for raven to release it like that...)
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:O!!!
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well said destrukt dude, well said, conclusion i think is spot on. I am a cser at heart but do believe we should pay respect to our roots that are in Deathmatch and always strive to nurture them.

I think that CS'ers BF/COD/DOD players, and rts players need to learn to respect one anothers games and show interest in all of them as they all make up esports.
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nice article and i agree #6 that server browser is horrible

i honestly think that quake 4 is horrible.

quake 4 is to quake 3 as counter-strike: source is to counter-strike 1.6

hrmm always wanted to try quake 4.. anyone know of an online free trial version?
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#16... cmon bro, it takes balls to make the statement.

it's _nothing_ like that
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good article destrukt, nice to see your presence.
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great article. gl in the world series
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who is this guy.
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how dare u compare q4 to the steaming pile that is source

also q4 has been out for what 3 weeks? give them time to patch it a little
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great write flander

back in the day.... well I wasnt there back in the day but anywase i think 60 fps is fine
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DKT, I see him every morning when I go to my computer station:P Nice review and I can't wait to get QIV:D
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destrukt is amazing at any game he touches
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I know we're in the small minority, but I definitely agree with #16.
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good stuff
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Yeah I personally think Q4 is way overrated and not even close to what it could have been. I enjoy watching a CS and CoD match way more than a 1v1 match to begin with.
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<3 dkt
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"When the game is smooth and your monitor has the proper refresh rate set… you won’t notice it’s capped at 60."

The human eye can only see 60fps or less anyways
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great read...im thinking about buying this game once i get my new comp in.
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#30

That's a common misconception. The eye can capture inexcess of 30/60 something or another. Which equates to 4k+ Frames per second.

I know that's really vague, but basically "FPS" and what the eye can capture are two different things.
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good write up dkt
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60 fps all the human eye can see? you are very wrong sir

http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can..
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#32

I think what #30 was trying to say is that your eye cant see the difference between 60fps and something higher, correct me if im wrong
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thump-jump owns.. dkt shoulda mentioned thump4's disocvery... duno y he didn't
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#35 you're right. But I think you misunderstood me, because I was stating (or at least trying to state) that he is a bit misguided in his 60fps statement.

Dkt telling us obvious things. I don't see how it'd be any different if his pic was there or not lol
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#38 he's not telling us things, he's giving us his opinion idiot. adding his picture in is no different than having a picture included with an i-view
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I think he does a good job showing his views on Q4. Good article.
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i think its horrible that people whine about quake4 not being as good as quake3.. people tend to forget that quake3 was not even near as good out of the box as quake4 is, if ID software & the mod community gives this game as much suport as q3 it will surpass the other quake games in so many ways.

2006 will be a good year for eSports.
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#41 wins

I remember quake3 out of the box, i pretty much turned it off and played some tfc.

2 years later i saw my friend playing it and i was like wtf happened to this game? it was ra3, and i was hooked.
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#43

Unreal Tournament was better out of the box than Quake3 was, not to take anything away from Quake3 but until OSP and the Pro Maps, i didnt want anything to do with it 1v1 or tdm wise.
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n1 writeup.
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dkt once touched me, professionally.
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The dkT 2 movie is still my favorite CS movie.
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For those of us who are still using a CRT monitor, the game looks sharper when FPS >= refresh rate. I won't go into why this is the case; those who are really interested in it can probably figure it out themselves.

So Q4 will actually feel sharper when played at a refresh rate of 60 Hz or less but I'm sure the eyestrain would neutralise the advantage. :)
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Nice read :) I'ma check q4 out at the next lan!

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