As for being worth it.. It depends on your personality and perspective on playing. A moderated pug won't have the same problems as random pugs, but some of those 'problems' like occasionally unbalanced teams, or trolling and raging, etc, are just part of the game, and can be very entertaining, as we all know. If you're pugging just to play tf2 with competative settings, not nessescarily to be competative (like myself), it's fine to just do random pugs. If you are pugging to actually be competative and actually practice your skills (like #2), then it may be worth it to pay to pug.
I'm looking at the site now, it actually seems really cool. They have some good looking instructional videos and stuff, as well as what looks like a really good pug/scrim finding interface. Makes me wish I still played CS actually :) If they bring that level of features to TF2, I'd welcome it, and pay 6 bucks a month for it. Probably. I'm pretty cheap though, so maybe not. I guess it's like gotfrag prime.. I never did get around to getting that, even though it wasn't very much money..
ESEA can be fun if you want an easy way to avoid ever having to play in a pub ever again, and because cheating is somewhat more likely to be prevented and punished.
It definitely has its pluses, and so no one should consider ESEA picking up TF2 as a bad thing by any means. At the worst, it's an option you simply get to choose not to partake of.
Regardless, I will say that -- historically speaking -- there seems to be a direct correlation between a game's long-term competitive life and said game being hosted by ESEA. So take that as you will.
I played 1.6 esea for a long time, then I realized that esea is bad and cancelled premium. Might get it back for this though. Terrible servers here i come!
cool, another reason to pay the 6 bucks. except for the challenges that always come up when i'm in the middle of a pug, FCK me
QUOTE: Regardless, I will say that -- historically speaking -- there seems to be a direct correlation between a game's long-term competitive life and said game being hosted by ESEA. So take that as you will.
thats a pretty bad way to put it... there is no correlation. 1.6 and source would be as strong without esea... maybe even better because kids woouldnt have learned how to bait so hard. every post you make is pretty much useless, but you try to sound smart to make up for your lack of an actual opinion.
ESEA = bait hard, go pro (but its still fun)
This comment was edited at 10/25/2008 1:16 AM
"And dont act like our internet doesnt have to be checked and processed through customs" - zenru
The servers aren't why it's bad. The servers are pretty good in fact. It's the fact that the stat script running scans way more than it needs to, which causes the god awful registration. If they could optimize that, it would be really good.
Letting the nub you're pugging with walk into the room first, then he gets shot and you run in after and clean up the mess. It's more of a problem in CS, where there's more of those tactical situations. Actually TFC had a lot of baiting, in a good way (you conc up there and det the pipes, then I'll fly by and grab the flag) but TF2 just doesn't have that problem in the same way. And I don't think ESEA caused that problem, or caused CS to be popular , as has been suggested. CS was popular before ESEA even started. And like TF2, the CS competative community is a small minority, a games popularity and longevity is based on it's pub community, for better or worse.
#27 is right. I've tried playing alone and it's just frustrating because people care about stats like its their life they're defending. Playing with friends is a ton of fun though. I would definately play tf2 esea because plenty of my friends have both esea and tf2. Added bonus, why not?
i guess it depends on how often you can get pugs with it, and what quality of people you get teamed up with. at least in tf2gather you know who's queuing and can avoid some players...
It could end up being pretty bad, but it's worth a shot. In CS you can PUG without teamwork (as everyone stated, bait hard go pro). In TF2 if you don't teamwork, or only a few teamwork, it turns into a really bad time. So you have to hope you get landed with competent people willing to not be jerks. I wonder how they'll enforce class restrictions in ESEA.
Also, how do we go about getting our free cevo-p access?
QUOTE:every post you make is pretty much useless, but you try to sound smart to make up for your lack of an actual opinion.
Every post I make is an 'opinion.' By direct definition. Get literate before you call other people dumb, idiot, because everything about your attempt to flame me doesn't make sense and fails.
Oh and btw, my stated FACT about there being a correlation is just that, FACT. Now, I'll grant that you can debate whether or not the correlation is actually evidence of causation, but the correlation itself is there as a matter of plain reality.
And if you're too thick to understand the concepts of correlation and causation, then google it or ask your mommy or something, because I'm not going to explain it to you.
And #28, if you think ESEA invented baiting, then you're an even bigger idiot.
Also, I don't even know why you're whining about baiting in the first place, since baiting isn't really an issue in a game like TF2, at least not the way it is in Counter-Strike.
ninotores, don't worry buddy i know the difference between causation and correlation. the fact you said there is a correlation is just stupid and shows you know nothing about what are you attempting to talk about. sure anyone can see that ESEA hosts popular games. however to actually say "OH THAT MUST BE IT" is just dumb... its true there is a correlation, a correlation a lawyer would come up with. also have you ever paid for ESEA premium? you can't say "no because i'm not sorry enough like to do pay money for that", please don't say something stupid like that. as for baiting, there's a difference between a team baiting with teamwork, and some random kid in ESEA baiting his whole team so he can try to clutch a 1v3 to add to his stats.
of course every post you make is your own opinion, but your opinion is misinformed.
do you even know how founded ESEA? you can google it, too bad for this your mommy won't be able to help you.
This comment was edited at 10/27/2008 4:33 PM
"And dont act like our internet doesnt have to be checked and processed through customs" - zenru
i'm going to add a second post just like you did! i bet you're sitting there smug, thinking you're right about everything since in your experience people on the internet are just so much dumber than you right? you probably think you're the only kid on this forum that has some college education, but would that even make your opinion or mine more valid? hell no. the difference between you and me is that i dont need to prove how smart i am for my opinion to be considered valid. you may sound smart but your opinion like i said before is misinformed. i know how it is though, when some kid suddenly thinks he is smarter than everyone else, he begins to think his opinion about stuff he isnt even knowledgeable about is valid. dont worry i deal with kids like you everyday, are you in engineering by chance?
This comment was edited at 10/27/2008 4:38 PM
"And dont act like our internet doesnt have to be checked and processed through customs" - zenru
TF2 ESEA
yey... pay to pug
Yes, we all know.
As for being worth it.. It depends on your personality and perspective on playing. A moderated pug won't have the same problems as random pugs, but some of those 'problems' like occasionally unbalanced teams, or trolling and raging, etc, are just part of the game, and can be very entertaining, as we all know.
If you're pugging just to play tf2 with competative settings, not nessescarily to be competative (like myself), it's fine to just do random pugs. If you are pugging to actually be competative and actually practice your skills (like #2), then it may be worth it to pay to pug.
If they bring that level of features to TF2, I'd welcome it, and pay 6 bucks a month for it. Probably. I'm pretty cheap though, so maybe not. I guess it's like gotfrag prime.. I never did get around to getting that, even though it wasn't very much money..
the ability to trash talk each other based on country of origin, and laugh at whole groups of players because of where they are from
I want that
It definitely has its pluses, and so no one should consider ESEA picking up TF2 as a bad thing by any means. At the worst, it's an option you simply get to choose not to partake of.
Regardless, I will say that -- historically speaking -- there seems to be a direct correlation between a game's long-term competitive life and said game being hosted by ESEA. So take that as you will.
thats a pretty bad way to put it... there is no correlation. 1.6 and source would be as strong without esea... maybe even better because kids woouldnt have learned how to bait so hard. every post you make is pretty much useless, but you try to sound smart to make up for your lack of an actual opinion.
ESEA = bait hard, go pro (but its still fun)
Letting the nub you're pugging with walk into the room first, then he gets shot and you run in after and clean up the mess.
It's more of a problem in CS, where there's more of those tactical situations.
Actually TFC had a lot of baiting, in a good way (you conc up there and det the pipes, then I'll fly by and grab the flag) but TF2 just doesn't have that problem in the same way.
And I don't think ESEA caused that problem, or caused CS to be popular , as has been suggested. CS was popular before ESEA even started. And like TF2, the CS competative community is a small minority, a games popularity and longevity is based on it's pub community, for better or worse.
so he was baiting me into answering..? damn..
Also, how do we go about getting our free cevo-p access?
Every post I make is an 'opinion.' By direct definition. Get literate before you call other people dumb, idiot, because everything about your attempt to flame me doesn't make sense and fails.
Oh and btw, my stated FACT about there being a correlation is just that, FACT. Now, I'll grant that you can debate whether or not the correlation is actually evidence of causation, but the correlation itself is there as a matter of plain reality.
And if you're too thick to understand the concepts of correlation and causation, then google it or ask your mommy or something, because I'm not going to explain it to you.
Also, I don't even know why you're whining about baiting in the first place, since baiting isn't really an issue in a game like TF2, at least not the way it is in Counter-Strike.
of course every post you make is your own opinion, but your opinion is misinformed.
do you even know how founded ESEA? you can google it, too bad for this your mommy won't be able to help you.
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