1. Area 51 (15-1) 2. ALL NATURAL (15-1) 3. Zilla Gaming (14-2) 4. Knights of Goku (13-3) 5. Strickland Propane (13-3) 6. Doin Work (11-5) 7. No Grid (10-6) 8. Slaughterhouse Gaming (10-6)
The 7 and 8 slots are a bit of a mess. There are 4 teams with 10-6 records. Default tiebreaker is head-to-head record. No Grid is 3-1 against the other teams, Slaughterhouse is 2-2, iconic is 1-2, and 404 Not Found is 1-3. Iconic kind of gets screwed by having only 3 games against the other teams.
The secondary tiebreaker is number of rounds won, but that would be a terrible way to decide spots, because teams dying mid-season screwed Slaughterhouse out of rounds: they had 6 FFWs.
#5 Going from the rules on ESEA's site they don't seem to use an RPI formula or anything, it would be kind of hard to make something like that work because they need to seed teams from different conferences that didn't play the same teams or each other.
* Open division (single elimination best of three finals) – top eight teams based upon: o Overall record then by o Head to head record then by o Highest amount of rounds won o Single map playoff if all other tie breaker scenarios are indecisive
Also yes 404 is dead they informed me of that last night. We will obviously have to take a better look at the tie breakers cause rouns for isn't the best thing as #1 said. MoB gaming never took over the spot they just changed the name.
I agree double elimination would be a better playoff format but I guess ESEA just doesn't like doing double elimination for open divisions since source and 1.6 have so many teams during the season and playoffs.
it wasnt because of nogrid, i told u guys before we've just been having issues with the roster and we're all sick of playing with 2-3 different guys every day and switching up with our soldier playing scout and vice versa. Having our scout on medic just wasnt working for us. We didnt feel it right to have a spot in the playoffs just to lose, either from forfeiting or not even playing to our potential due to people showing up just on time or people not on enough to scrim. So we agreed to give it to a team that is actually stable
rofl we wouldn't rage quit everything over a loss too no grid, they were the better team in the match and they deserve a spot in playoffs, the team has dramatically improved over the season.
gl to all teams in the playoffs
edit: also slaughterhouse has 6 forfeit wins, i dont see how they should be ranked above iconic, or i just really misread the rules but it just doesnt seem right when over half your wins are from forfeits
A mini-playoff is the only thing that can work for those 7-8 teams. A team cant get screwed out of a spot becauses of FFW's. I suppose you could just analyse the results between those teams but it would be better just to have a mini-playoff, wouldnt take long at all with just 4 or so teams.
#14 It would be unfair to hold Slaughterhouse's 6 FFWs against them. It was a quirk of the schedule that had them playing most of the worst teams in the conference late in the season, after most of those teams had dropped from ESEA. They almost certainly would have beaten Crack Clan, Silence, etc.
Also I was just kidding, sorry about your roster issues
Luciious, you are too kind, i thought that 404 played really well also... had us on lockdown the first half, and didn't let up in the second half either. Group of great guys (blaze should play scout imo)
#16 i get your point, but i dont think its fair to say they surely would have beat them, i mean considering 404 beat doin work and nogrid before their matches with them on granary, and still ended up losing to them both so :>
If the rule is to go by head-to-head then it would be fair to make Slaughterhouse (2-2) and iconic (1-2 missing one) play each other for the last spot.
sorry ehfk but simply stating that "ESEA just doesn't like doing double elimination for open divisions" is not an excuse for not having better playoffs, especially when there are only 8 team. I simply do not understand why esea refuses to change their terrible rules about playoffs just so it conforms to their cs divisions. Maybe next season we can play first to 16 rounds
No kidding, change the TF2 rules and leave the CS rules the way they are. It's quite alright to have different league rules for different game divisions.
imo RPI should be used considering the vast difference in strengths of schedule. For example, a team on the borderline is expertise who had to play kog 51 dw twice each and also 404 and nogrid... all playoff bound teams... they are 4-4 in those matches. While teams like iconic and slaughterhouse have better record while having 0 wins vs playoff bound teams. Something to consider.
Agreed with #24 FFWs shouldn't really count as wins, that just screws with the skill difference in the playoffs for teams that actually achieved their wins but didn't make it because of "The luck of the Draw" FFW schedule.
i agree with #26, 51 had some roster problems and stopped playing until very recently, but thats no excuse, the only team we lost the most rounds to (that didnt beat us) was expertise
they should be up there at the bottom of the playoffs, they got screwed with their schedule
+ i just wanna watch killz run around and kill everyone some more
Kinda crappy the way things worked out for us on iconic. A (then) unknown bug in the ESEA client forced our forfeit loss to Slaughterhouse; a game I think we had a good chance of winning.
Doesn't matter though, going up against A51 or AN first round is pointless considering our roster issues.
Wow. This is a huge bummer- the mass amounts of forfeit wins/losses was frustrating enough- not getting to play at all some weeks. Slaughterhouse should know especially well considering their 6 FFW's, including the one against us that was due to the unknown steam beta applicant bug in the client.
Missing out on playoffs to a team stacked on FFW's with a lower round win % than us- how annoying.
No offense at all to the Slaughterhouse guys; my frustrations are with ESEA and the countless problems made apparent this season.
QUOTE:Hmm you did you try to contact ESEA, tell them the issue then ask if they can manually change the results if slaughter house agreed to the match?
Yah creed I can manually change scores for the matches.
I wasn't even consulted about the playoff structure, they just kinda released them on me. #21 I wasn't using that as a defence for ESEA I was just stating that is why they went with it cause I really can't think of another reason it would be that way. If it were up to me the invite finals would just be BO3 for each match and open would be 8 teams double elimination, maybe expand the amount of teams in playoffs and give some byes to top seeds to try and make up for a sh1tty season we had.
i cant speak for everyone on slaughterhouse but as far as im concerned we owe iconic a match for the 8th slot. any way we can work something like this out ehfk?
I think all of us would be open to rescheduling the Iconic/Slaughter match. We would have been open to rescheduling but that week was a nightmare, as we had to make up matches for the week prior and at the time it just wasn't feasible for any of our members. However it's only right that we play the match out given it's current importance. Hopefully this can happen.
ESEA should use RPI, look at the difficulty of schedules. expertise had to play each of the top 3 teams twice while nogrid only had to play A51 and KOG once. when they met expertise beat nogrid 5-0. iconic played the top 3 only once each and expertise never got to play iconic in the season.
then obviously we all know slaughterhouse doesnt deserve to be in there with 6 forfeit wins.
we beat iconic last week on freight. and we did play each team, 1st match vs doin work, 11th area 51, 12th kog. We also only had 1 FF win
and if you want to get technical about FF's, then let us replay VVV on pro dustbowl, we had to forfeit them due to bad scheduling and not having our players there, if we could play, and if we won, then we would be 11-5.
but I do agree, expertise should be up there, at 7th, with us (nogrid) at 8th. Playoffs should also be double elimination...
I don't think you can just decide to jump expertise up on a judgment call. Sometimes good teams finish below where you think they should. Otherwise you'd have a poll for the playoffs instead of a regular season.
I'd be interested to see RPI numbers, though, since they'd probably jump up over those teams
ESEA O playoff spots
1. Area 51 (15-1)
2. ALL NATURAL (15-1)
3. Zilla Gaming (14-2)
4. Knights of Goku (13-3)
5. Strickland Propane (13-3)
6. Doin Work (11-5)
7. No Grid (10-6)
8. Slaughterhouse Gaming (10-6)
The 7 and 8 slots are a bit of a mess. There are 4 teams with 10-6 records. Default tiebreaker is head-to-head record. No Grid is 3-1 against the other teams, Slaughterhouse is 2-2, iconic is 1-2, and 404 Not Found is 1-3. Iconic kind of gets screwed by having only 3 games against the other teams.
The secondary tiebreaker is number of rounds won, but that would be a terrible way to decide spots, because teams dying mid-season screwed Slaughterhouse out of rounds: they had 6 FFWs.
Maybe a mini playoff for those 4?
I also agree that it definitely needs to be double elimination.
* Open division (single elimination best of three finals) – top eight teams based upon:
o Overall record then by
o Head to head record then by
o Highest amount of rounds won
o Single map playoff if all other tie breaker scenarios are indecisive
Also yes 404 is dead they informed me of that last night. We will obviously have to take a better look at the tie breakers cause rouns for isn't the best thing as #1 said. MoB gaming never took over the spot they just changed the name.
I agree double elimination would be a better playoff format but I guess ESEA just doesn't like doing double elimination for open divisions since source and 1.6 have so many teams during the season and playoffs.
gl to all teams in the playoffs
edit: also slaughterhouse has 6 forfeit wins, i dont see how they should be ranked above iconic, or i just really misread the rules but it just doesnt seem right when over half your wins are from forfeits
Also I was just kidding, sorry about your roster issues
they just happened to get screwed over in their schedule
they should be up there at the bottom of the playoffs, they got screwed with their schedule
+ i just wanna watch killz run around and kill everyone some more
Doesn't matter though, going up against A51 or AN first round is pointless considering our roster issues.
Missing out on playoffs to a team stacked on FFW's with a lower round win % than us- how annoying.
No offense at all to the Slaughterhouse guys; my frustrations are with ESEA and the countless problems made apparent this season.
:/
And next season, just have a single conference and seed teams by RPI
can they even do that?
I wasn't even consulted about the playoff structure, they just kinda released them on me. #21 I wasn't using that as a defence for ESEA I was just stating that is why they went with it cause I really can't think of another reason it would be that way. If it were up to me the invite finals would just be BO3 for each match and open would be 8 teams double elimination, maybe expand the amount of teams in playoffs and give some byes to top seeds to try and make up for a sh1tty season we had.
also, can we call all natural reliq yet? or does virulent need to join first?
http://www.esea.net/index.php?s=esports&d..
then obviously we all know slaughterhouse doesnt deserve to be in there with 6 forfeit wins.
7. expertise
8. Iconic vs NoGrid bo3
and if you want to get technical about FF's, then let us replay VVV on pro dustbowl, we had to forfeit them due to bad scheduling and not having our players there, if we could play, and if we won, then we would be 11-5.
but I do agree, expertise should be up there, at 7th, with us (nogrid) at 8th. Playoffs should also be double elimination...
I'd be interested to see RPI numbers, though, since they'd probably jump up over those teams
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