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Warcraft 3: Double elimination troubles at WSVG

By: Jaclyn Lo - Published May 02, 2007 at 4:12 AM EDT - Writer Archive
In the Warcraft III tournament, WSVG deviates from the standard double elimination system, forcing players to play the same players in the lower bracket.
The Warcraft III competition in Wuhan, China is one of the biggest single-player tournament for 2007. Several top professional players flew in to attend this prestigious event. Players such as Moon, Sky, Grubby, ToD and ReMinD all came to claim the title as the new WSVG Warcraft III champion.

However, there was one big oversight that occurred while building the brackets. In double elimination, it’s standard practice to “flip” the players when they move down to the lower brackets. This removes or minimizes the possibility that players will play the same opponents twice, to maintain the element of surprise.

A player meeting an opponent twice at the same tournament poses disadvantages for the players. For example, the winning player might have a special strategy to go against his opponent, which might not be effective anymore during the rematch.

Due to this error, the brackets resulted in three repeated matchups—suhO vs Grubby, SoJu vs ToD and Fly100% vs FoV. Grubby, ToD and FoV were eliminated by their opponents during the earlier brackets and were pushed down to the lower brackets. SoJu, suhO and Fly100% lost their subsequent games on the upper bracket, where they again faced their previous nemesis.

In the end, Grubby and ToD were able to win their matchups after their initial loss; while Fly100% still maintained his dominance against FoV.

“It sucks,” FoV mentions. “They shouldn’t make it like this, but I think in China its how they do double elimination. I think it was in another WSVG event in China that they did it like this.”

Professional gaming is a young sport, and is continuously trying to improve itself and maintain certain standards. The main strength of a double elimination system is giving the players multiple chances by playing many different players as possible. This gives them the best chance of progression, especially on the lower brackets.

The WSVG has been running a superb event so far. The delays are minimal, and the best matches are being broadcasted on stage. Despite the crazy crowds that totally mauled people during the first few days, they quickly wisened up and now has better crowd control.

This dilemma might be seen as minor to some, but it could have been easily avoided if the organizers were able to study the intricacies of a double elimination bracket. Nevertheless, kudos to the whole event and the WSVG organizers—they have ran a superb tournament with impressive turnout.

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lol thats too bad, but i guess they have a point, still shouldnt matter on how a person plays -_-
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probably just a lack of interest in how double elimination tournaments are run in other countries; organisers were probably content just to go with how they did things previously.

gotta love it when people do things their own way! hopefully they'll learn, because thats pretty much the only thing that would stop that event from, what it sounds like, a perfect tournament.
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TBH i think its perfect. we get to see problary the best players vs each other hes only worried he will be knocked out, It's great seeing good games because the pressure on them now not in the GF where it's pretty much Coin flip
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yeah, that'd be great watching the same games repeatedly _b
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That's pretty stupid, they should reverse the lower bracket so you play a different player =/
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i couldve seen this coming, back in halo2 for summer cpl 05, the tournament was run by GameRiot (which is now part of WSVG and run by the same admins at events). They used random seeds, played the first round, randomized the seeds again, played the 2nd round, then didn't reverse the loser's bracket. We were then knocked out almost back to back by #1 and #2 teams that were there. This is basically the same situation by the same company, but with more money at stake. If you were to ask some of the admins, I'm sure theyve never made a simple 8 team/player double elimination bracket correctly. Bad call WSVG once again.
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Yeah... a lot of players prepare for certain matchups and they don't plan on playing the same person 2 times. As that would make the startegy easy to read the second time.... they should have fixed that.. :-\
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WSVG screws up....again..
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interesting...
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Not the first time major events have screwed up with format rules. WEG had group play in CS without playing out, giving unfair advantage to those who won coin tosses for defensive side first. Also, CEVO thinks it's a good idea to do playoffs using a double-elim format, but then in the finals the lower bracket winner only has to beat the upper bracket winner once, thus eliminating the advantage of winning the upper bracket.

Good call on this article, surprisingly Gotfrag usually misses these types of things.
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omfg double
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