Did you miss the first stop in the MLG PC Circuit in San Diego? Now is your chance to get in on the action first hand. If you did participate in the first stop, get ready for even more action and excitement this time around! After the success of San Diego, MLG announces that registration opens today for the MLG Orlando World of Warcraft tournament. Registration officially opens at 7pm EST, June 19th. With $31,500 in cash and prizes, including 3 Blackbird Gaming PCs, slots should will go fast for the event taking place July 11th-13th.

In the first stop, Frag Dominant walked away with a thrilling victory over Europe�s Nihilium 6-4 in the finals at San Diego. Almost the entire WoW community watched as MLG San Diego captivated the scene. Don't miss out on the next one if you were not in that group.

MLG Orlando will take place with the same Season 2 Gear along with no add-ons allowed. On-site, GotFrag TV will be live and in full effect so spectators are encouraged to attend at no cost. GotFrag TV will also be again streaming live video coverage of the event all weekend so if you are unable to attend check GotFrag TV during the event.

The venue for the event is the Orlando Marriott World Center in Orlando, Florida. Hotel cost is $109 per night plus tax with reservations being required before June 23rd. Each team pass must be purchased by one person from MLG�s Teambuilder program at a cost of $200 per team. A person must have a registered account on MLG�s site to sign up.

Note: MLG's paypal system is not available at the moment so all transactions must be by credit card.

To buy passes and for more information, go to the Official MLG PC Circuit Website

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yea, only like 800,000 people watched the last tourney, TERRIBLE IMO

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Should be another exciting tournament.

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#2 divide that number by 10000 and you're correct.

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#4

You will be surprised when we announce the numbers. The WoW numbers de_stroyed any CS event numbers we have ever broadcast, including CPL Winter 2006 when we did CS and Q3.

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#5 im sure you realize American Idol has more viewers than most sporting events, sick comparison huh? WoW is fuhking gay it doesnt matter how many people watch it, its who watches it.

This comment was edited at 06/19/2008 10:06 PM

I liked the biker chick on the last American Idol season and I'm looking forward to welcoming the WoW community back for another event with us. If it is half as fun as the first one, it will be a blast.

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The San Diego event was a blast and I'm extremely, extremely proud of the Gotfrag guys for pulling it off with such panache and success. MLG made it entirely possible and backed us on it all the way.

Like Scoots said, wait for the numbers... then wait a lil bit for "More and Better..."

You all remember that post don't you? Well, if not, read it again... it was a little over a year ago: http://www.gotfrag.com/portal/story/37931/ and Santa Chen's bag of goodness keeps on giving.

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You may feel that way #6...but in record-setting numbers the WoW community strongly disagreed with you as they seemed to have tuned in by the thousands and enjoyed the broadcasts.

Do you think Fox cares "who" is watching Idol or the fact the show is an absolute runaway success for the network, which then funds them to do other things?

#9 so I guessing you guys don't care either who your audience is? That's a really nice philosophy you're following there.. Might as well do a child porn broadcast...just think of all the pedophiles you'll attract!

QUOTE:
Do you think Fox cares "who" is watching Idol or the fact the show is an absolute runaway success for the network, which then funds them to do other things?

i think fox designed and catered every aspect of american idol the way they wanted... to say that american idol doesnt care what audience it attracts shows a lack of understanding of that aspect of marketing..... remember that part where commercials are different depending on the show and aimed towards certain groups of people with the same interests as the show theyre watching??? woops lets look at the community of gotfrag... its all CS 1.6/CSS....... you show WoW on the main page which is something youve never done before acting like its more important which confuses me and the community... MLG is taking over.

ive been watching for years and i like the CS coverage dont get me wrong but i would like to see you guys make a highlight movie / clip for WoW and compare it to 1.6 or source then ask yourselves where the spectating part is good about WoW, you might as well do audio to be completely honest, watching WoW, actually watching is equal to watching an RTS with 6 units involved, running around in circles in 3rd person with no actual skill or talent to be shown.

This comment was edited at 06/19/2008 10:04 PM

Just because you do not see the skill or the talent of the players, does not mean it does not exist and again, the WoW spectators would disagree with you.

#10 - way to take the comment to the extreme, lol.

This comment was edited at 06/19/2008 10:21 PM

#12 So what are we supposed to see then if not skill? The cartoonish graphics? We can do that by installing WoW at home. If you cannot see skill of the players from a broadcast of a game, what kind of value does it hold as spectator sport...None absolutely, IMO.

i gave wow an honest effort to understand what is going on, but their constant use of short-hand and unexplained vocabulary made it very difficult. they would explain a term using other terms that are unexplained outside of the wow community, or those that have played the game. they need to explain things another step further. I'm sure if i could fully, or at least partially understand what was going on, what bars i should be looking at, and who is who (hell, i don't evne know what a warlock looks like), it would have been much better.

and scoots, you're goal with broadcasting wow is not to broadcast to the wow community... you're already sold on them and they're going to watch. you're goal is to broadcast to other communities, namely CS and CSS with it being on gotfrag. so your numbers within the "wow community" don't mean a whole lot.

This comment was edited at 06/20/2008 12:16 AM

I have nothing against WoW and personally watched a few matches here and there from the GFTV broadcast. Although I wasn't extremely entertained as I would be from a CS broadcast that's understandable because I don't play the game or know too much about it (ok, I know a little - being formerly of Pandemic staff, I found out a few things - after all I was at one of the biggest WoW events to date in WSVG Dallas :P).

Well the thing is that I have never seen the GFTV stream (tv.gotfrag.com) being put on the front page of GF - (GotFrag.com) - as well as the top of the different games' portal sites including the one GF is most famous for: CS 1.6 (until it was taken down later in the day due to complaints). However I am wondering if the numbers would be different if it was not placed on the front page? Plenty of people come to GotFrag daily, but for the most part I don't believe they come for WoW content/news and the placement on the front page could have made the numbers higher than they actually were...

Add: Again, I have nothing against WoW, but just thought pointing out that the stream was put on the front page could be of some significance. Because personally I feel if the GFTV stream for a CS 1.6 event was put up on the front page, the numbers would be just as high if not better :P

This comment was edited at 06/20/2008 12:20 AM

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#15 - actually, the bulk of the video hours viewed were on tv.gotfrag.com with the number of viewers almost equally split between the Front page and Tv.GF. Without getting into detailed stats which I can't disclose until the official PR comes out, the average viewing time was OVER two hours. I can argue these numbers with you all day, but the reality is, sooner or later you're going to have to trust me when I say that it was huge, or ignore me because you just don't have any faith. Either way, I _KNOW_ I'm right when I say that this was the biggest broadcast in our history, even ignoring the Front Page numbers. And moreover, I _KNOW_ that I can leverage this into bigger, better and more things for the core Gotfrag audience.

Now, you can either come along for the ride, whining kicking and screaming, or you can come along for the ride and enjoy it. Your choice. Either way, we're doing more and better.

The posting to the sub-sections of the site was actually an error on my part. I didn't specify to our dev teams to keep it JUST on the front page. So as singlecoil said on Saturday, we most definitely apologize to everyone for that. The way our CMS works, you can publish in one spot for all the pages or just one spot for each homepage (including the main homepage). It took us a little while to figure out we'd done it (thank you for complaining in such a mature constructive fashion....) but once we did, we fixed it as fast as we could.

This was a new functionality for us anyways, and one that we couldnt' get done in time for GRT2. But, although Scoots prob wants to save the surprise for you, it is something we are going to do for EVERY live stream we do from here on out. The next GRT will be on the front page. MLG's support (that bandwidth isn't cheap guys) enables us to do that.

EDIT: For clarity.

This comment was edited at 06/20/2008 2:40 AM

i was bout to say the saem thing as #15

i came on gotfrag as i usually do and did my standard browsing. i wacthed probably about 10 seconds of wow. does this include me as a viewer of wow?

u talk about numbers who watched, of course its going to be larger then any other tournament due to the fact that every1 who went to gotfrag instantly watched it. most viewer hrs may be on tv.gotfrag.com but as far as number concerns it doesnt rly matter how long they watched it. thats my oppinion at least

Oh, one more thing #15 - We'll find out how big CS is when we put it on the FP on the next event we broadcast. I'll make you a deal, you get everyone you know, everyone you don't know and everyone you possibly can on the stream, beat the numbers we did for the MLG SD cast, and I'll call that one the biggest one in history. And then, I'll go leverage that into more and better.

#17 - you're right and you're wrong. But mostly wrong. How long we can keep you a captive audience because we do a good cast is just as important as how many people tune in. Most websites these days have a less than 3mins per visit duration. Gotfrag averages significantly higher than that. But the average viewing time for our stream was well over two hours. So any way you slice it, people came and they watched. Period. Even on the front page is was waaaaaay longer than 5mins per visit.

I was just pointing something I felt could have affected the numbers, but it seems that that wasn't the case and MLG SD WoW was the biggest broadcast in GF history. But I didn't say anything about it being false, it's just that I felt the numbers could have been affected because of it being on FP. It's not like I have any reason not to believe you :P.

But again I am not completely CS biased (like some here may be :X) as I've seen some potential in WoW and am all for the advancement of WoW as an eSport as well as helping GotFrag grow :). Although I'm a fan of CS, I see nothing wrong with GF also having a WoW community filled with content/news, which is your future target I'm assuming? :)

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Shrews... dude... don't give away the house now!

I watched all day last time, think my stream was up for 12 hours :D

Can't wait till Orlando so I can throw away another day and watch WoW until i cant stand it anymore :)

I love it.

if youre going to compare the next CS event with viewers you have to put it on the front page and post on every awful forum to get it out there that its going to happen, and leave it on the front page because it took awhile to take WoW off the front page and i probably watched a half hour of that WoW tournament because i give everything a chance or its just pointless to complain about, and like i said before sirscoots, i pointed out if you just watch, for the viewing and spectating value wow is 6 RTS characters, without the knowledge base included. i understand that you have things like poker on ESPN which is just cards and the thinking / mind games are what draws viewers but its a much more universally understood game. while thats a matter of how long poker has been out, its much more simple all you need is a deck of cards, in wow you need an entire PC set up and have to get a RPG character to level 70 and obtain items in fruity adventures for hours in order to compete at the highest level, not just sit down and prove your true level of skill, thats where the biggest difference comes between CS and WoW, in CS everyone has an equal chance in the beginning of each round of winning that round, thats why its interesting to watch.

i dont understand why everyone takes any argument and statement to an extent just because they dont enjoy it. Just because we're doing WoW doesn't mean we're doing WoW only from now on and f*** every other game out there...plus, what else could we cover anyways besides WoW that weekend? I dont think there are any other major tourneys happening at the same time. So would you guys rather see coverage of something for that weekend? Or would you just rather be in the forums aliased as a _GUY and troll?

My choice would be WoW obv.

This comment was edited at 06/20/2008 12:34 PM

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@23 - Precision, if you think everyone had an equal chance at the beginning of every round in CS or that it doesn't take hours and hours of practice to play ANY game at the highest level, then I don't think you're in the same reality we are. I've scrimmed against Shag, Mikey, Frod, warden and a bunch of Euro's back in the day. And I can dominate a 20man pub on dust2 like no one else's business. But those guys flat out own me. And you can ask them, or go back and read one of our many interviews about how much they PRACTICE per day.

And for the record, they don't bring their own characters to our tournaments. As it clearly states in the rules, we provide premade characters with the same standard toolset of gear for everyone--Season 2 Arena gear.

Bottom line, I'm not sure what you're saying. But I am sure you aren't making sense.

#24 - I'm pretty sure some of these people just didn't believe that a WoW broadcast could have more viewers/be bigger than say a CS 1.6 or CSS broadcast (lol I can't believe I just typed C-S-S :D) as I didn't, but like I said in my last post, there's absolute no reason not to believe in what Lee is saying that it is GF's biggest broadcast in history...

I guess we'll just have to wait for the next CS event to compare the numbers, but seeing more GFTV in general is definitely a good thing :).

#25 -

QUOTE:
Although I'm a fan of CS, I see nothing wrong with GF also having a WoW community filled with content/news, which is your future target I'm assuming? :)

Answer :P

Edit: Quote fixed

This comment was edited at 06/20/2008 1:23 PM

gotfrag getting bigger because of wow helps out every other game on gotfrag, period. there's no reason to complain about them showing wow instead of <enter game here> because the bigger and better gotfrag gets, the other games get bigger and better because of it.

if you think of esports as sports and you split each into their individual games -- esports we have 1.6, source, wow, cod, etc. sports we have nfl, nhl, mlb, mls, nba, etc. notice how many different games tehre are? just because wow succeeds over 1.6 or source, or source over 1.6, or 1.6 over the other two, doesn't mean that they all can't succeed equally. getting esports televised is a huge jump for ALL GAMES, regardless of whether they are an RTS, FPS, MMORPG.

This comment was edited at 06/20/2008 3:01 PM

Much like #22, I watched almost the entire event and enjoyed every minute of it. It seemed to flow just right with plenty of commentary, interviews and tips in between matches to keep me interested, and the shoutcasters did a great job passing on their knowledge and experiences. What ever it was you all did, please do it again. Kudos to all the staff involved on a job well done.

@26,27,28 - Thanks. I'm glad you enjoyed the cast--like I said earlier, I'm tremendously proud of my guys (on all sides of the production from TV to Tournament admins to the site coverage guys (<3shrews, bpex & coil)) for doing such a great job. We have plenty of room to improve, but it was a smashing success.

@27 specifically, you are 110% spot on right.

@26, specifically, sounds good :D

Oh, and Vansili, to be fair here, and to give credit where credit is due there WAS another event going on that weekend, Dreamhack, And we covered it. Scorebots, scoreboard and the works. Demos and logs I understand are still filtering in, but we didn't have anyone onsite for Dreamhack summer this year so that's not a bad job considering we were RUNNING our own event at the same time.

true that Lee

see? I'm a cs fan and i was absorbed by WoW that i even forgot that there was ESWC quals and WGT DH going on

cant wait for the next wow event!?!

good way of thinking jamios :)

#28 has it

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